Recent Diet De-Siss - Bread and Protein

Based on some info from Mike Mahler, a very lean and very strong vegan athlete, I decided to try a couple products.

"Man's Bread" and Hemp bread - both have about 6-7 grams of "net"carbs a slice with the same amount of protein. This means that even if you are low carbing, once your out of induction, these are great choices. Lot's of fiber and other good things that can be hard to get when low carbing.

Rice Protein - nutrabiotic brand. 1.8 gams of carbs to 15 grams of protein and , for me, no digestion issues at all. Vanilla is just about tasteless.

Basically not eating any meat during the day now and trying to cut back overall while maintaining the protein and low carb aspects.

Bill

[rbrown]

Bill, sounds interesting. What is Man's Bread? One thing to be aware of is that hemp has much more Omega 6 Fatty Acid than Omega 3, an imbalance you may want to correct (or maybe it is corrected in the bread recipe with other ingredients?). Anyway, just something I'd found out awhile back and thought I'd share.

I'm interested in how the reduction of meat in your diet goes. May I ask if you reducing the amount of meat you eat for health or philosophical reasons? Some years ago, I was a pseudo-vegetarian for about 4 years for purely philosophical reasons. Since I wasn't really doing it for health, I didn't reap any potential health benefits. I have since added plenty of meat to my diet as I believe it is more "natural" for humans to eat omnivorously. Still, I wonder if I should maybe reduce the amount of meat, though not cut it out completly. Anyway, I'm not looking to change anybody's mind about vegetarianism, not am I looking to have my mind changed. Just curious about how it goes for you (or anyone else). Feel better? More energy? Less hungry, etc.?

Thanks!

I'm doing it for a combiation of imperfect health and moral reasons

I'm trying to only eat grass fed "free range" meat - so that means eating it at home, on the rare occasions we feel like cooking. This is for both reasons.

I found I was feeling heavy from eating meal after meal of meat. Also my experiments with NHE revealed it was nice to have a few more food options.

I was veggie for all of college -eating a fine diet of pizza and mintchip ice cream (ofcourse i was at 8% due to 4 hours a day of tennis). I went veggie again for "health" reasons later for a couple years, but lost alot of muscle. I think I've got a good formula now to feel really good and eat only really good meat.

Bill

[rbrown]

Bill, thanks for the response. I am in a similar place. I would like to cut down on the meat and have what meat I do eat be organic and grassfed/free range. Not there yet. It's quite costly, though I tell myself it won't be once I am eating less meat.

[James Boelter]

I am really glad to have the info, especially about the rice protein - I had no idea it was that light on the carbs.

And Mike Mahler is indeed a good argument for a vegan diet - it certainly seems to work for him!

[Connie Brown]

Bill is the info from Mike Mahler in a public place, or were you guys just talking. Might be nice to keep that on hand for people who don't want to plow through the messages here.

http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/mahler_big_strong.htm

[Connie Brown]

Thanks. I have wondered how veggies can get the protein without a boatload of carbs - do you know of anyone who does it without manufactured foods like protein powder?

Nope I don't - and I do not think it can be done. Maybe a faux veggie who eats lots of eggs - but who wants to eat 8-10 eggs to get the extra.

The logistics of trying to get even a conservative 125 grams of protein, without getting too much fat and carbs with it would be quite daunting. Every real veggie/vegan I know who doesn't supplement is "skinny" not "lean"

I can tell you the rice protein is way easier for me to deal with then whey.

[Connie Brown]

thanks Bill. Like you, I have sometimes wanted non-meat-heavy alternatives.

[sammybaby]

I'm also eager to hear how it goes.

My wife wants to cut way down on her meat consumption for moral reasons. Like Bill, I want to cut down for what could easily be summed up as "imperfect health and moral reasons." (Interestingly, my parents are both ovo-lacto vegetarians, but prepared meat for my brother and I as we grew up. Dad still traditionally prepares the Thanksgiving turkey, but doesn't partake.)

Bill, if you don't mind me picking your brain a little, about how many / what percent of your daily calories would you estimate you're getting prior to your evening meal? Do you find yourself going meatless many days?

As an aside, I'm starting to get some serious low-carb fatigue. (Not literal fatigue, but "screw all of you, I'm eating a banana for dessert" fatigue.)

I probably get 40% of my calories from 6am to 7pm and the other 60% between 7-9pm. I'm basically still following a warrior style plan. I have days where I might meet someone for lunch and definitely feel the drag during the afternoon.

Based on conversations with Chuck (cstcanada), who is Ori's top guy, I'm going to save the bread for at night along with the evening meal so that the carbs, which still be well under 100grams a day will be "cycled" on a daily basis.

The rice protien will be done 2x a day in a coffee based drink. I usually just wait till the coffee is 3/4 gone and just down the protien.

When you want the banana just think about that commercial where their wearing the donuts. Or, if you have been at under 20 grams for the rest of the day, and you have had some protien and fat before the banana, just eat it.