Swipes question?

[llara]

Hello,

I was wondering I still haven't bought the CST book yet, so I have been using all that is available on the site (Which is quite a bit.)

I have seen the Coach Sonnon's video clip and Coach Myers' video clip of the swipe on the web. There is a slight difference in the techniques used by both that I have seen and just wanted to know. Is there a particular reason for the difference in the technique or just personal preference?

Coach Sonnon does a smaller bend of the knees but brings the chest down lower to the knee while Coach Myers performs it more like a squat with the chest more straight up. The difference I feel when performing both swipes is with the Coach Sonnon swipe I tend to feel a good burn in the upper abdominal and quads while with Coach Myers I tend to get full burning sensation in the quads/hamstrings. Just curious about the difference.

Appreciate any info and thanks in advance,

Luis


Patience is not a gift, but a lesson to be relearned daily.

[Scott Sonnon]

Luis,

Please provide the two video links to which you refer.

[bob_stra]

I can't remember the clips you mention. Possibly it might be a height related issue? For example, I'm nearly 6'2 so if I do the shallow knee / chest upright version the clubs clang into the floor. Also, it irritates my back somewhat. I suspect this is a knock on effect - I worry abt the club banging, the weight distribution on my feet changes, which causes other compensations, some of which I don't gel with etc.

I don't think either version is wrong, just a different way. Unless there are specific OCS requirements for performing this move?

Either way height, balance and preference might be some of the reasons for the variations you've seen. Certainly I know that if one is knock-kneed when squating that it points to balance ('strength') issues.

[Scott Sonnon]

Bob, you may indeed be correct. Jack is a long-legged 6'8" where I am 5'10" with short grappling nubs and a long torso.

I believe in the selective tension value of maximal compression and expansion (bend and hip snap) supremely activating the core through compound movement rather than high tension techniques with short squat explosions... and this may too account for the variation in technique.

Form must be perfect or injury may occur. Most people, unfortunately, round their backs rather than bend at the hip.

[llara]

Here are the links for the vidoes I am talking about:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/myers4.htm

http://www.circularstrengthtraining.com/clubbellsport.html

I have noticed myself rounding my back during the swipes on occassion, which may explain the tightness I felt during the workout. Definitely something I will make a conscious effort to correct.

Thanks,
Luis


Patience is not a gift, but a lesson to be relearned daily.

[Scott Sonnon]

Luis,

Although the height issue was involved here, this is a difference between a Performance (S&C) Swipe demonstrated by Jack and a Technical (OCS) Swipe demonstrated by me. Furthermore, Jack was using a single 15s Welterweight, and I was using two 25s Heavies. When you increase the weight, form changes as well.

[llara]

Thank you for the clarification, Coach. I did notice you were using heavier clubs which explains alot. Appreciate the explaination.

Thank You,

Luis


Patience is not a gift, but a lesson to be relearned daily.

[JClayton]

While we're on the subject, I notice that the same links contain what appear to me to be different versions of the Mill. I'm just trying to learn this movement, and got myself a little confused today, so I could just be looking at the videos incorrectly.

Both Coach Myers and Coach Sonnon demonstrate a right-handed Mill. Coach Myers seems to cross in front of his face on the upswing, and make the downswing to his right, away from his center line. Coach Sonnon crosses in front of his face on the downswing and makes the downswing to his left, across his center line.

Are these two variations of the Mill? Should I, as a new trainee, learn one version over the other, or both?

Thanks for any help,
Justin

[Scott Sonnon]

Justin,

Focus on Jack's Mill, called the Performance Mill (for strength and conditioning.) My demonstration (the reason it's on the OCS page) is the Technical Mill (for OCS competition.) Pick up the OCS manual for extensive descriptions of the distinctions between the two.

[JClayton]

Thanks Coach. The OCS manual was going to be my next purchase but I was going to wait a while since I won't make the OCS until '05. :D

However, now I think I'll order it on Monday.

Justin