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bejustintime
12-04-2006, 11:10 PM
Coach Jones was able to incorporate CST philosophy together with boxing in his Flow box seminar. He explained that boxing is being used by a variety of martial artists and he understands the various applications.

Personally this was my first formal instruction in boxing. I had exposure to many of the techniques with my limited MA experience, but never had the luxury of going over the material in such a straight forward manner, with a willing and qualified teacher, coach, or instructor. I highly recommend this to anyone who is curious about boxing and wants to learn the basics; someone who thinks he knows boxing basics, but never had formal training from real boxing coach; And boxers who want to learn how to incorporate CST into their game.

I misplaced my notes but luckily I had a photocopy of some pointers I got from a book on boxing, which I found at the library. The pointers from the book are in “” quotations, and the recollection that it creates (in my mind) is written next to it.

“Keep your eyes on your opponent.” Think 7 key components of any CST exercise.

“Keep your guard up.” Not only use your hands to guard, but roll your shoulder to protect your chin. Any time one shield goes down another one replaces it. Coach Jones will show you how to box while giving away minimal defense.

“Keep your chin down.”
We did and interesting drill involving a racket ball to drill this behavior.

“Keep moving when you’re in the strike zone.”
This is where you can develop your “ring general-ship“. Think about the Observe-Orient-Decide-React feedback loop.

“Don’t lunge your punches.” Again use crown to coccyx alignment.

“After every action recover immediately to guard.” Coach Jones showed us how to punch and not compromise your guard.

“Don’t lean back to avoid punches. “ We learned evasion maneuvers in which your center moves over the back foot, instead of leaning.

“Give as much as you take.” Coach Jones said you have to hit your opponent hard enough to make him respect your space. When he respects your power it is another game entirely.

“Don’t get mad--Step back, settle down, and get smart.” Coach Jones explained how to work at your own pace so you do not run out of energy during a boxing match.

“Don’t be predictable. Mix up your fight plan. “ We practiced drills which helped us develop our punching combinations and mobility.

Conclusion: The material was presented very methodically in the seminar. I went from boxing wanna-bee
to sparring within the day. Coach Jones was very patient and was happy to answer questions. He even gave us pointers on how to improve our boxing by watching us spar. I feel great that I had the chance to gain this experience.

KD Jones
12-05-2006, 12:30 AM
... I highly recommend this to anyone who is curious about boxing and wants to learn the basics...

Based on this review, I'm am irrevocably sold. OK, honestly, more irrevocably sold-ER.


...the recollection that it creates (in my mind) is written next to it.

I'm going to be a patootiehead (something at which I excel), and ask a couple further questions, to check for further recollections. Just in case...


“Keep your eyes on your opponent.” Think 7 key components of any CST exercise.

Grok failure here. Does this mean "it's so fundemental that it becomes an additional key component," or "maintenance of the 7 key components will make this possible," or something else beyond my tank walls?


“Keep your chin down.” We did and interesting drill involving a racket ball to drill this behavior.

Did Coach Jones at any time "return" the racquetball projectile from its suggested position (wherever that was)?


“Keep moving when you’re in the strike zone.” This is where you can develop your “ring general-ship“. Think about the Observe-Orient-Decide-React feedback loop.

With relation to the concept of the OODA loop, was the "keep moving" presented more as facilitating the components of the loop in some way (for example, motion allowing for more complete observation), or as being an effect of a functional OODA loop (the continual and therefore 'flowing' end result of the loop - the "react" phase - results in continual movement)?


"Don’t lunge your punches.” Again use crown to coccyx alignment.

Appears to make critical an understanding of the differences between "lunge" and "wave," the latter being crucial to a "casted" punch (I'm WAY out on a limb here, and basing this on NO understanding whatsoever). Was the disctinction brought up, or am I reading something goofy into this?


“Give as much as you take.” Coach Jones said you have to hit your opponent hard enough to make him respect your space. When he respects your power it is another game entirely.

This is just beautiful. Reframes the idea of power to be more tactical (here's where we're going with this, my friend) than logistical (here's the weapon, come over here and I'll knock you out). Leaves power in the mix, but doesn't make it the game. Cool.

Conclusion: The material was presented very methodically in the seminar. I went from boxing wanna-bee to sparring within the day. Coach Jones was very patient and was happy to answer questions. He even gave us pointers on how to improve our boxing by watching us spar. I feel great that I had the chance to gain this experience.[/QUOTE]

Wow. Just wow. I believe our next vacation trip will accidentally coincide with a FlowBox seminar...

peterng25
12-05-2006, 08:53 AM
I went from boxing wanna-bee
to sparring within the day.

Sounds exactly RMAXish! A coach session will enrich you permanently, giving you a sport/activity for the rest of your life, even if you're not going to be world champion, but you are now the master of your own style.
Congratulations!

bejustintime
12-05-2006, 02:47 PM
KD,

I am glad you had fun reading this review.



Grok failure here. Does this mean "it's so fundemental that it becomes an additional key component," or "maintenance of the 7 key components will make this possible," or something else beyond my tank walls? ...


Yes





Did Coach Jones at any time "return" the racquetball projectile from its suggested position (wherever that was)? ...


We had custody of the ball for the exercise. And he also let us keep it when we were done.





With relation to the concept of the OODA loop, was the "keep moving" presented more as facilitating the components of the loop in some way (for example, motion allowing for more complete observation), or as being an effect of a functional OODA loop (the continual and therefore 'flowing' end result of the loop - the "react" phase - results in continual movement)? ...


I think the intention was to always keep the other guy so busy observing and orienting that he is unable to decide or act.




Appears to make critical an understanding of the differences between "lunge" and "wave," the latter being crucial to a "casted" punch (I'm WAY out on a limb here, and basing this on NO understanding whatsoever). Was the disctinction brought up, or am I reading something goofy into this? ...


We talked about waving the punches, but that is mainly as a drill. Actual jabs and crosses were described as more compressed waves/






This is just beautiful. Reframes the idea of power to be more tactical (here's where we're going with this, my friend) than logistical (here's the weapon, come over here and I'll knock you out). Leaves power in the mix, but doesn't make it the game. Cool. ...


Interesting observation. I never thought of it like that.



Wow. Just wow. I believe our next vacation trip will accidentally coincide with a FlowBox seminar...

Plan a few days of recovery after the seminar. I was sore from using new muscles 2 days after!

SAB
12-05-2006, 03:01 PM
Great review.

I NEEEEED the DVD :D
Hopefully its out soon.

TonyB
12-05-2006, 04:31 PM
"Think about the Observe-Orient-Decide-React feedback loop"

Where does this come from? The 3DPP manual?

Please advise! There are so many gems in CST literature, it can be tricky to memorize it all. :)

Thanks!

I look forward to seeing FlowBox on DVD!

PS: did you guys hold the racketball underyour chin and move without dropping it? I"m assuming that's what was done.

Coach Flanagan
12-05-2006, 04:58 PM
Justin,

thanks for sharing. That reminds me of some key points Coach Jones covered at the FF Camp as well as entices me even more for further flowbox explorations.

Tony,

OODA is covered in the 3dpp, i believe also in the the FlowState psychology audiotape from the fisticuffs series, but dont quote me on that one.

Dave O
12-05-2006, 05:09 PM
"Think about the Observe-Orient-Decide-React feedback loop"

Where does this come from? The 3DPP manual?

Please advise! There are so many gems in CST literature, it can be tricky to memorize it all. :)

Thanks!

I look forward to seeing FlowBox on DVD!

PS: did you guys hold the racketball underyour chin and move without dropping it? I"m assuming that's what was done.

Hi Tony,

Also, try googling "OODA Loop" by Col. Boyd.

There should be alot of information out there.

Take care,

Dave

garth reynolds
12-05-2006, 05:47 PM
Great review Justin!

See additional reviews under the Live Training Opportunities: Flowbox thread.

Soheil John Ward
12-06-2006, 02:42 AM
I look forward to seeing FlowBox on DVD!


Me too man!

I wish I could have been there. This was an amazing opportunity!