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AdamS.
12-19-2006, 03:56 PM
It looks like this forum has been quiet for a while, so I thought I would add my contribution.

I’ve recently started studying Muay Thai, and I’ve been pleasantly surprised to find out how much RMAX can contribute to my newly found hobby.

I am studying with Steve Whittier, owner of NEXUS Martial Arts in Wareham, Massachusetts, and a trainer from the Sityodtong Muay Thai Academy in Boston. When I say “Muay Thai,” I’m referring specifically to Sityodtong Muay Thai. As with all traditional martial arts, there are hundreds of variations. Sityodtong is the only Muay Thai I’ve practiced, so I can’t speak of any other schools.

Contemporary MT is a sportive branch from Krabi Krabong, an empty hand and weapons combat system that was used by Thai warriors for hundreds of years. MT is also known as the “Art of the Eight Limbs:” fists, elbows, knees, and kicks (two of each ;)). A typical match is broken down into five three-minute rounds. Each match begins with the Wai Khru, a traditional dance to pay respect to the teacher. Points are awarded for technique, dominating the opponent, offensive and defensive ability, and knock downs. (All those must be accomplished using traditional Thai boxing techniques.) Almost the entire opponent’s body is a target: Head, torso, upper leg (inside and out), and lower leg (inside and out). Throws are allowed, but no points are awarded for them. The only throws allowed are ones that keep the opponents facing each other and do not involve the typical wrestling and judo holds or throws (i.e., hip throws or an outer leg reap). (I wish I had a better definition than that. I can demonstrate it, but I’m not sure how to explain it. I’m sure someone has a better definition.) As would be expected, biting and eye gouging are fouls, as is deliberately striking the groin, or deliberately falling on an opponent. A match can be won by KO, TKO, doctor’s stoppage, or decision.

One thing that I’ve really been happy with is how natural MT is. By that, I mean that there are no unrealistic stances, there are no strange variations on punches or kicks, all the techniques can be applied directly to a MT match, and all the strikes use the natural movement of the body and its momentum. Also, instead of strength, there is an emphasis on slow and heavy delivery of the strikes. (Speed has more emphasis for advanced students, but for practicing and learning the techniques, slow and heavy delivery is most important.) Most of the strikes are delivered in a manner similar to a whip: With a round kick, for instance, the whole body is the “handle” of the whip, and the leg is the end of the whip. In order to accomplish that, joint mobility and release of tension is paramount. Not only does the hip and knee need to be relaxed, but the whole body does. The entire body rotates over into the kick before the leg even makes contact. For a knee strike, the hips need to open up, and again, the entire body rotates into the strike before the weapon lands. It’s the same with punches and elbows. The whip analogy works for all the strikes. Yes, all systems emphasize using the whole body for strikes. The MT technique is different in the whip analogy. It’s hard for me to explain beyond that, but it feels different whether delivering or receiving the strike.

That’s about all I have to offer at this point. Like I said, I’m still a Muay Thai newbie. The CST system has already helped me with the tension release and body awareness needed to learn the techniques. As for sparring and contact, the philosophy seems to mirror the slow progression in FlowFighting™. That as opposed to the "weeding out" (beating them to a pulp and seeing who sticks around) that unfortunately happens in many schools. So that's certainly a plus :D

AdamS.
01-27-2007, 05:53 AM
I had another training session yesterday. One of the many things bad about living on an island is getting to the main land. It was very windy yesterday, so it was quite a bumpy plane ride on the puddle jumper. But, I made it to my session in one piece. Just like any good session, I found a few things I'm doing better at, and I found a ton of stuff I need to work on.

My instructor told me my tools are looking better. Specifically, he said my punches are about four inches longer than they were last time he saw me. (Thanks Coach Jones!)

As he was telling me some adjustments I need to work on, I kept thinking about how my CST practice can help me improve my Muay Thai technique. I need to work on opening up my hips more in my kicks. I have a tendency to be almost in boxing range when I kick. I need to learn to trust my length. Part of that is loosening up my hips instead of staying tight and contracted. So I think I need to really concentrate on my Intu-Flow hip mobility. I also kept thinking about how the hips need to open in the four corner balance drill. My daily Intu-Flow work has been primarily the spinal wake up series. I'm going to have to expand that into my outer extremities.

I also realized how one-sided I am. My techniques on the right side of my body are many times more efficient and effective than the techniques on the left. That's entirely my fault: When I'm working the bag, I concentrate on the right side more than the left. (Hey, when I kick it just so with my right, it makes a really cool "POP." Can you blame me for wanting cool sound effects? :) ) So, I need to balance that out more. On the left round kick, I'm not turning my hip over enough, my shoulder isn't turning over at all, and I'm barely pivoting on my base foot. It's the same situation with my elbows. I think I also need to concentrate more on the mobility of my left side. Perhaps some of these failures in my left-side technique has to do with mobility restrictions.

We also went over a few pad combinations and ring strategy. Those things are brand new to me, so I think it's just going to be a matter of doing it to get comfortable with it.

All in all, a very productive two hours.

Ryan Murdock
01-27-2007, 08:31 AM
I need to work on opening up my hips more in my kicks.
Adam,

Check out Coach Wilson's Freedom of Movement DVD, it's brilliant. It contains all of the things that made his kicks so freakishly fast and lithe.

Adam Steer
01-27-2007, 11:08 AM
Adam,

Check out Coach Wilson's Freedom of Movement DVD, it's brilliant. It contains all of the things that made his kicks so freakishly fast and lithe.

Definitely!! After working with it for the last few months, I notice a marked differnce.

Jarlo Ilano
01-27-2007, 12:09 PM
Hi Adam,

Of course I'll plug Coach Wilson's DVD too! The hip/leg mobility program he devised is great. We went through a portion of it at the FlowFighting seminar last July, and I dug it alot.

But I can also offer a few things that might help you out a bit.

I can kick decently with both legs, but feel more comfortable kicking with my left. I've tried to figure that out over the years and noticed a couple of things.....

It is easy to just say "it's balance". But, balance can mean a lot of things. For myself, I noticed it was a couple of things.

One, the dynamic strength of my right lower leg is greater than my left. In the Muay thai style kick (as you know and are learning) the pivoting leg is up on your ball of the foot, so your calf/hamstring/quad "tensegrity unit" needs to be strong. My left is less than my right. So I don't feel as stable when my right leg is in the air.

Two, when analyzing kicks with a friend as we held the thai pads for each other. We noticed the angle of lateral stepping to open up the hips (have you discussed this detail yet in your training?) was a bit off from one side to the other. A bit of sensory motor amnesia in the movement. Not just in the hips, but also in the upper body angling. If you don't get in the right hip (and upper body angle) position BEFORE you start the kick you are already a step behind.

Run these things up your flagpole and see how it flies for you. It might be part of what's going on with you. I'm interested to see if you have similar issues.

Solutions CST wise? 4 corner balance drill and Forest for number one. For number two, using IntuFlow to analyze where they may be "sidedness" issues in where you are more comfortable in your pelvic/lumbar/thoracic movements.

Hope that helps a bit. We can also talk more about this next month at Lambda. I'm currently working on organizing all of my thoughts on kicking, and it'd be cool to share some stuff with you.

AdamS.
01-27-2007, 12:22 PM
Thanks for all your feedback. I actually ordered Coach Wilson's DVD earlier this week :)


Coach Ilano,

Very true what you said about the lateral movement before the kick. Perhaps it is the extra movement to make a left kick that is throwing me off. I fight with a left lead, so I'm switching my feet before delivering the kick. It isn't just coming from the rear like the right kick. So maybe in that switch, I'm not pivoting the right foot. Also, the right foot isn't used to working in that capacity, so both legs are doing something they're not comfortable with. I'll have to pay attention to that next time I'm on the heavy bag.

One interesting thing about my training is that 95% of it is on my own (CST or MT). As a result, I have to keep myself honest. I have no one else to answer to. That's an unexpected benefit of solo training.

Jarlo Ilano
01-27-2007, 01:20 PM
One interesting thing about my training is that 95% of it is on my own (CST or MT). As a result, I have to keep myself honest. I have no one else to answer to. That's an unexpected benefit of solo training.

Absolutely man. I'm lucky to have some great teachers and training partners that I work with regularly. But we all agree that it all comes down to how you engage in your personal practice. I actually believe that we all have "no one else to answer to" but ourselves.

We'll talk more about kicking next month. I've got a bunch of interesting material to share.

AdamS.
03-27-2007, 04:51 PM
I've been using Coach Wilson's FOM in my 4x7 routine over the last three-or-so weeks along with Flock of Pigeons and Diving Dolphin. I've also been doing Coach Murdock's Bujinkan circuit and running. I found out this weekend, my left kick has now surpassed my right. Funny how that works. I think it has a lot to do with using the stored elastic energy I build up during the stance switch before delivering the kick. I've been really able to fire it off now. I'm also not restricting myself in my posting leg. Getting better and more relaxed every day :)

One interesting occurance that I mentioned in my 4x7 blog is that I met Kenny Florian during one of my Muay Thai pilgrimages. He's training for a fight next month, and I got to see him working with a few training partners. It was interesting to see how relaxed he was through the whole thing. I'm sure it comes from a mix of his BJJ and his MT training, both of which (in the schools I'm familiar with) put a lot of emphasis on keeping cool and not powering through an engagement. It's always fun to be a fly on the wall to see a good athlete doing what he does best.