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Scott Sonnon
01-07-2007, 09:03 PM
Wakil Mushtaq Ali Al Ansari, Ph.D. and myself will be conducting a two hour co-seminar on our respective knife fighting expertise on February 10th in Portland, Oregon.

Admission will be $50/person with a maximum of 40 participants. Registration link will be posted next week.


Combat Sambo Spetsnaz

As my teacher described to me many years ago, "the knife is also useful in the kitchen." The training I underwent in Russia with the Special Forces ("Spetsnaz") and eventually began teaching to different military and law enforcement agencies is one of the world's most unique.


In Combat Sambo Spetsnaz, how you box, how you grapple and how you fight with a knife are all based upon the same movement patterns.

After nearly two decades of knife fighting, in both the combative and sportive realms, I've developed a refined system utilizing recent advances in stress physiology and combat psychology.

Some of you have already experienced my approach to knife fighting. I have neurological tricks to hot-wire your physiology for optimal performance which will surprise even those who have been studying with me for years.

TACTICAL KNIVES Magazine, the cutting edge in knife publications, wrote about my system that it's "great for both novice and expert..."



BLACK BELT Magazine, the world's oldest and largest self-defense publication, wrote that "Sonnon's advice is designed to help you make what you already know more accessible and effective should you ever find yourself in a true survival situation."



Master At Arms, James Keating says that my approach to knife fighting is, "...a system of living concepts, yes, even beyond JKD..."




Pentjak Silat Zulfikari




The Indo-Malay martial arts of Pencak Silat (pronounced pentjak silat) are at their foundation weapons based systems, and the weapon of choice for most systems of Silat is the blade. It has been rightly said that there is no Silat without the blade.



Silat Zulfikari (http://www.zulfakr.com/), founded by Shaykh Taner Ansari, represents one of the most sophisticated and user friendly expressions of Silat in the West. Silat Zulfikari places strong emphasis on the use of the "civilian" knife, a smallish blade likely to be found anywhere, rather than large military knives or the exotic weapons of the East. Silat Zulfikari uses unique methods of incremental "live" training rather than just static drills to produce practical "real world" knife skills in a relatively short time.


Mushtaq Ali al Ansari is the senior-most instructor of Silat Zulfikari under Shaykh Taner. He is well regarded for his skills with bladed weapons and has spent much of the last forty years learning his craft. He has traveled widely throughout the world, including South East Asia and Africa studying the methods of people who actually use blades for protection on a daily basis. For the last several years, with the blessings of Shaykh Taner, he has worked to integrate the principles of CST into Silat Zulfikari.


"Mushtaq Ali in my opinion is one of the best kept secrets in the martial arts as a knife instructor with far reaching breadth of knowledge and experience. In a time when there are a great many drill masters, he stands out as one who can innovate and adapt. Effective knife use is not about just you and the knife but about the reactivity and interaction that
happens between the two opponents. "He does that, I do this"; realistically that thinking is fatal.
Starting out in the MA's 20 yrs ago, defense against a knife was one of my primary motivators and has indirectly driven me to train in multiple styles to gain more insight into knives and all weapons in general.
After 10ys dealing specifically with Filipino weaponry of primarily bladed design, Mushtaq Ali showed me that there is another whole level of sophistication beyond just drilling, templates and striking patterns.
His insight reaches into reactivity, breathing, mental, spatial, ect. I could go on.
Silat knife with Mushtaq is so much more than using a weapon. It's using everything available to you. Their body, their movement, your own body, time, gravity.
The complexity is mind boggling and when we spar, it is totally confounding and yet joyously exciting.
I would place Mushtaq Ali very near the apex of instructors, however the list of those fortunate enough to experience his brilliance is for the few of us so very lucky.
I continually use the phrase, "drinking from the firehose."
Steve Van Harn, WEKAF World Knife and Stick Fighting Champion

"I have been fortunate in my life to have been able to train with some of the best, and top names in the knife fighting realm. I say this, because some of the biggest names are not the best. I would rank Guru Mushtaq Ali as one of the best. He may not be the most well known, but he brings a depth, level of experience, and genuine teaching ability to each seminar or class he teaches. He also cares that each student gets the lesson and retains it. His classes are also not the general fare of the knife world, he brings new, useful insight into a subject that so often is different emphasis on the same thing.
I highly recommend anyone to go train with him. You will learn to think for yourself, pick up useful skills that will save your life, if you need to use them, and possibly become a lifelong student, like I did."
Terry Trahan
WeaselCraft Combatives
Silat Zulfikari

Ryan Murdock
01-08-2007, 07:59 AM
WOW!!! You gotta tell me this stuff ahead of time!!! :mad: :mad:

I'm in Turks & Caicos that week, coaching CST.

Anthony Roberts
01-08-2007, 08:12 AM
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Why do I persist in living on the East Coast?

Bobbe
01-08-2007, 10:30 AM
I smile!

mushtaq
01-08-2007, 10:55 AM
I smile!

And well you should Dewd. I have a rubber chicken, and I'm not afraid to use it!

Coach Bentz
01-08-2007, 12:53 PM
At last, I have an answer to the question that's been heavy on my mind lately.

What would happen if Batman and Yoda were to teach together? :)

This one sounds like fun, and a great accompaniment to 'The Path', also in Portland that weekend.

Jesse1
01-08-2007, 01:00 PM
This sounds amazing, but I've noticed that it's scheduled for the day of the Portland Path seminar. Do they overlap or will Feb. 10th be an even better day that I'd already anticipated?

Scott Sonnon
01-08-2007, 01:07 PM
This workshop will follow the Path workshop since Mushtaq hasn't taught me the Sufi art of cloning yet!

Jesse1
01-08-2007, 01:17 PM
Woohoo! As long as it's not filled up before I try to register, I'll be there. In the description above, at one point it mentions that your training methods are great for beginners... I just wanted to make sure that's the case before I end up completely in over my head. Thanks.

mushtaq
01-08-2007, 01:26 PM
Woohoo! As long as it's not filled up before I try to register, I'll be there. In the description above, at one point it mentions that your training methods are great for beginners... I just wanted to make sure that's the case before I end up completely over my head. Thanks.

I think I can safely say that as a beginner you will have no problem picking things up. It may even be an advantage, being as you will not have old stuff to "unlearn". :D

Ryan Murdock
01-08-2007, 02:01 PM
Man, I envy all of you folks! This sounds like an incredible event!



At last, I have an answer to the question that's been heavy on my mind lately.

What would happen if Batman and Yoda were to teach together

But Brian, which is which? I think you may have put your foot in it a bit. Someone comes off as all green and tiny and wrinkly...

Coach Bentz
01-08-2007, 02:29 PM
Man, I envy all of you folks! This sounds like an incredible event!


But Brian, which is which? I think you may have put your foot in it a bit. Someone comes off as all green and tiny and wrinkly...

:embarassed: Anybody wanna guess who the target dummy is gonna be in that class? :)

Actually I was referring to a couple older posts. One, where it was mentioned that Yoda's behavior in one of the Star Wars movies, where he drops his cane (and the old man pretense) and starts kicking some serious tail, as being exactly what Musthaq does in class. And Mushtaq wrote about (http://www.rmaxinternational.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13413&) Batman more recently.

mushtaq
01-08-2007, 02:42 PM
:embarassed: Anybody wanna guess who the target dummy is gonna be in that class? :)

Actually I was referring to a couple older posts. One, where it was mentioned that Yoda's behavior in one of the Star Wars movies, where he drops his cane (and the old man pretense) and starts kicking some serious tail, as being exactly what Musthaq does in class. And Mushtaq wrote about (http://www.rmaxinternational.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13413&) Batman more recently.

While it is true that I totter about on a cane, I haven't been green since the last time someone tried to serve me Kopi Luwak. :eek:

Bobbe
01-08-2007, 04:00 PM
>"I haven't been green since the last time someone tried to serve me Kopi Luwak"<

It ain't THAT bad...! Kinda tangy, really. I have had worse things...On the same island, mind you, but worse things!

mushtaq
01-08-2007, 04:27 PM
It ain't THAT bad...! Kinda tangy, really. I have had worse things...On the same island, mind you, but worse things!

Yeah, there's always durian.

Scott Sonnon
01-08-2007, 04:59 PM
Whenever I hear Mushtaq feign senility, I am always reminded of a quote from my favorite movie, "It's a trick. Get the axe."

Ryan Murdock
01-08-2007, 05:40 PM
Actually I was referring to a couple older posts. One, where it was mentioned that Yoda's behavior in one of the Star Wars movies, where he drops his cane (and the old man pretense) and starts kicking some serious tail, as being exactly what Musthaq does in class. And Mushtaq wrote about (http://www.rmaxinternational.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13413&) Batman more recently.
Brian, now you're just waffling. Don't dig the hole deeper, my friend. Better to keep quiet and hope to get off easy with a simple bloodletting...


Yeah, there's always durian.
LOL. Actually, I rather liked durian. It only smells like an open sewer, but tastes kinda like onion flavoured custard.

What's Kopi Luwak? Is it as bad as natto?

seanb
01-08-2007, 05:46 PM
I spend the whole day doing the PATH and then get the opportunity to sit in on another seminar with Coach and Mushtaq?

When I spend an hour with Bao once a week, I am wiped out.

Sound cool - where do I sign? ;)

-Sean

mushtaq
01-08-2007, 05:49 PM
Brian, now you're just waffling. Don't dig the hole deeper, my friend. Better to keep quiet and hope to get off easy with a simple bloodletting...


LOL. Actually, I rather liked durian. It only smells like an open sewer, but tastes kinda like onion flavoured custard.

What's Kopi Luwak? Is it as bad as natto?

They say that tigers like durian because the smell makes them think of spoiled meat

As for Kopi Luwak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak)...........

Ryan Murdock
01-08-2007, 05:54 PM
Ahh, I have heard of that, but have never had the pleasure. :puking:

Who doesn't like their coffee with a little eau de civet?

seanb
01-08-2007, 06:06 PM
http://www.tvwavs.com/wavs/Army_of_Darkness/-/get_axe.zip

or for other bruce campbell quotes:
http://www.tvwavs.com/bcwavs/

Coach Hurst
01-08-2007, 06:45 PM
What's Kopi Luwak? Is it as bad as natto?

Hey, what's wrong with natto? I mean, unless you don't like the smell of a football player's socks after a long and hot day of running up and down the pitch....

The knife fighting seminar sounds awesome btw. That is a seminar that I really miss I could partake in... :frown:

Ryan Murdock
01-08-2007, 08:21 PM
Hey, what's wrong with natto? I mean, unless you don't like the smell of a football player's socks after a long and hot day of running up and down the pitch....
Now that's about the most accurate description I've seen yet. I'll be sure to share that with Tomoko. Maybe next time she'll wash her own slimy natto bowl.

wadem
01-09-2007, 08:26 AM
Any chance this incredible sounding event will be documented for us unfortunates who can't make it? Sounds like a very interesting presentation!

Jesse1
01-15-2007, 06:31 AM
Any world yet as to when registration will be open?

Cody Fielding
01-17-2007, 05:28 PM
This is the same day as the Portland Path seminar, correct?

If so, will this then be an evening gig?

Thank you,
C-

mushtaq
01-17-2007, 05:32 PM
This is the same day as the Portland Path seminar, correct?

If so, will this then be an evening gig?

Thank you,
C-

As I understand it, yes. We go right from high level personal development to how to play show and tell with someone's kidney.

Scott Sonnon
01-17-2007, 05:35 PM
This is the same day as the Portland Path seminar, correct?

If so, will this then be an evening gig?

Thank you,
C- Yes and yes.

Cody Fielding
01-17-2007, 10:45 PM
As I understand it, yes. We go right from high level personal development to how to play show and tell with someone's kidney.

How could one resist?....:D :D

mushtaq
01-17-2007, 11:42 PM
How could one resist?....:D :D

Yeah, it's sorta that best of both worlds thing that RMAX is known for :cool:

AdamS.
01-19-2007, 06:35 AM
Wish I could make it to this. I've been looking into knife fighting over the last few months. I found one knife expert that I'm really interested in studying with. His name is "Snake." ::snicker:: Yeah, right. :D

Bobbe
01-19-2007, 12:01 PM
His name is "Snake."

THE NAME'S PLISSKEN!!!

So what's the what? Isn't there supposed to be a registration link? Did I miss it somewhere??

TonyB
01-19-2007, 01:16 PM
In the ORIGINAL version of Escape from New York, starring Kurt Russell, there is a running joke about people thinking he was dead after meeting him for the first time.

Below is a copy of deleted dialog from the original script:

EXTERIOR-NIGHT

Snake Plissken enters the abandoned building, rifle in hand, searching cautiously. An Old Man appears from the shadows.

OLD MAN: "Hey, you're Snake? I heard you were dead"

SNAKE: "Looks like you were wrong" (sneering)

OLD MAN: "How do you keep going the way you do?" (amazed)

SNAKE: "Daily practice of CST. Looks like you could use FlowFit yourself"

KD Jones
01-19-2007, 01:22 PM
A complete, ridiculous diversion: Kurt Russell is vastly underrated. I defy any parent to watch the scene in "Dreamer" in which he reads his daughter's story to the PTA, and tell me that's not what that sort of thing feels like...

Now, I haven't seen escape from New York, but if he does Sonnon/Mushtaq as well as he does "Dad," then I'm going to have to rent it.

AdamS.
01-20-2007, 07:20 AM
I wish I were joking, but I'm not. This knife "expert" went by the name "Snake." My guess is, he just watched a lot of movies and decided he knew enough to start his own knife fighting program. Scary.

Scott Sonnon
01-20-2007, 07:58 AM
Knife fighting tends to be problematic because it's easier for folks to not glove and mask up and put it to the test against a live opponent. That's BS though. If knife fencing isn't an integral aspect of one's education, all of your techniques are just stunts, not skills. Whether sport/symmetrical or scenario/asymmetrical, all of one's techniques must face athletic pressure so that emotional arousal doesn't corrode one's abilities when one's life depends upon it.

tellner
01-25-2007, 09:30 PM
This looks like it's going to be an awful lot of fun. Two very knowledgeable teachers from very different backgrounds, both with innovative teaching methods. I'd say they're better than 90% of the knife-combatives instructors out there. Unfortunately, that's setting the bar pretty low :(

Anyhow, I strongly encourage anyone who can possibly swing it to make the trip.

dustoff
01-26-2007, 08:54 AM
"all of one's techniques must face athletic pressure so that emotional arousal doesn't corrode one's abilities when one's life depends upon it."
__________________
Be more prepared than the challenges you face,
Coach Scott Sonnon,

Thanks for the reminder about emotional arousal, a problem that is not always noticed during training but always seems to be present in one form or another.

Scott Sonnon
01-26-2007, 10:35 AM
Registration is now open!
CLICK HERE TO JOIN! (http://www.profcs.com/app/netcart.asp?MerchantID=39863&ProductID=3381635)

Bobbe
01-26-2007, 05:02 PM
ALL RIGHT!!!

In like Flynn, Baby!!! I'll see you guys there!

Jesse1
02-06-2007, 08:10 PM
I just got an email with info for the event and it says to bring a training knife. Is that something I'd find at a martial arts supply store? I there anything specific I should be looking for? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

mushtaq
02-06-2007, 08:41 PM
I just got an email with info for the event and it says to bring a training knife. Is that something I'd find at a martial arts supply store? I there anything specific I should be looking for? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

You can get one at any good martial art store. I recommend one with a stiff blade rather than a rubber knife. There will be a few spares floting around just in case someone can't find one as well.

Jesse1
02-07-2007, 05:51 AM
You can get one at any good martial art store. I recommend one with a stiff blade rather than a rubber knife. There will be a few spares floting around just in case someone can't find one as well.

Awesome, thanks for the reply.

Bobbe
02-07-2007, 05:24 PM
I will be bringing about 8 spare training knives to share for the seminar. They are the Cold Steel "Black Cat" model with the point and edge sanded down for safety.

murid_aisha
02-08-2007, 08:31 PM
Guru Mushtaq,

See you there! It's been too long. Hope you brought your sharpening stone. Then again I bet our friends T&T have one. :) I have a new knife that needs sharpening.

It will be wonderful to study with you in person again and meet the highly acclaimed Scott Sonnen. You have certainly said much about him.

Peace,
aisha

murid_aisha
02-08-2007, 09:25 PM
Can someone please forward me the info on the event? I'm signed up, but I may have payed too late to receive the specifics. Those who know me, please feel free to call with info.

If not, I will hopefully bother you all via cell phone on Friday sometime.

Thanks,
aisha

Terry Trahan
02-14-2007, 06:53 PM
I gotta say that this was a great seminar, and I will be writing
up a review in the next couple of days.

Coach, it was really great meeting you, and I am soooo
impressed. Thank you for the great experience and information
you shared.

murid_aisha
02-14-2007, 09:23 PM
The seminar really was amazing. Thanks! Although I won't be writing a review (I'll be excited to read Terry's), it was inspiring. As soon as I catch up on my homework, I will be writing up my goals and starting work on the Intu-flow and Prasana Yoga tracks. AFter we move, in a month, my husband and I will invest in some club bells and really get going.

Thanks for everything! Meeting Coach Sonnen, and watching him,as well as Guru Mushtaq and Steven Barnes at work created an exciting and inspirational workshop.

-Peace,
aisha

josh gates
02-21-2007, 09:35 AM
will the seminar format look anything like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUusWhVn2AM&NR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkDIz0Q0Alk&mode=related&search=
:eek:

mushtaq
02-21-2007, 10:01 AM
will the seminar format look anything like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUusWhVn2AM&NR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkDIz0Q0Alk&mode=related&search=
:eek:

No, the seminar was well attended by people who had both open minds, manners, and the skills to judge what they were exposed to on its merit.

You can find reviews of it here on the forum.

No roof jumping at all, sorry. Thouugh I am sure if you wanted to try it out for yourself no one would object.

tellner
02-21-2007, 11:42 AM
I gotta say that this was a great seminar, and I will be writing
up a review in the next couple of days.

Sure you will sez the only blogger lazier than Terry ;)

Terry Trahan
02-26-2007, 07:05 PM
Sure you will sez the only blogger lazier than Terry ;)

http://www.rmaxinternational.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14159

So ttthhhhhpppptttt on you, I never said it would be on my blog.