View Full Version : argument against scott's approach
02-06-2004, 10:22 AM
There are always naysayers and detractors to anything. Everyone has their opinions. If that guy doesnt like it then so what. If he finds no value in the CST cert so what. That is his to deal with. It affects us not.
What he and many others dont realize is how different CB work is in relation to other types of lifting.The range of motion involved.
Some people dont like change, they dont want to try new things so they automatically become against whatever it is, in this case CB.
CB & CST isnt for everyone, neither is rock climbing or jumping out of planes.
(Note that I have not gone to that forum & read the entire thread at this time)
02-06-2004, 10:27 AM
Dave's points are solid.
Consider every reasonable critique, and continue those methods which promote your health and improve your performance...
It sounds to me that the individual was just joking. Don't pay attention to such stuff, and don't post it. It's just flame-bait.
I keep an open mind regarding training, performance enhancement, or whatever. The longer you are around, the more you realize you don't know.
CST certification isn't something I've done (although I think it would be a tremendous learning opportunity to meet Scott and the RMax staff) it interests many of you, and I've seen how clubbells have enhanced peoples' training. A fundamental truth that many people just don't get is that variety is good. Maybe not variety for variety's sake, but in general, variety is good.
Clubbells, kettlebells, dumbbells, barbells, old tires, chains, climbing ropes, gymnastic rings, parallettes, jump ropes, giant rubber bands, power racks, benches, etc...all these things are tools. Essentially we are all engaged in the pursuit of physical culture, though the levels of sophisitication we engage it in vary tremendously.
While I have not ever tried a clubbell, I've dabbled with sledgehammer and leverage lifting, and my imagination is sufficient enough to envision how clubbells could be used to train, and I know that they are especially suited for the purposes Scott's put them to.
And, finally, regarding the Power and Bulk: It's always been a tad bit rougher there, but dogma always tends to be rooted out for what it is. If you don't like it, don't go there. However, if you are game, and you can bring the goods with you, you'll find plenty of people happy to talk training with you. It's a board based around 3 things: Strength and Power Sport (PL, OL, SM, Highland Games, and other Throwing sports), a place where you are free to bitch about whatever feel like (including myself, the other admins, Power and Strength Sport, on the Rant board), and a strong sense of community and friendship amongst the core membership.
Like any other board or online community, you spend time sorting the wheat from the chaff.
02-06-2004, 11:29 AM
He's entitled to his opinion, and he is entitled to give his opinion (especially on his own website). And if he is happy with what he can do and how he spends his time training, then I call him a success on his own terms.
He doesn't know what he is missing though (Sorry, just had to get that in). :wink:
Yeah, you can't convince everyone! Personally I would love to certify if I had the funds just for the experience of it. Clubs looked interesting to me so I gave them a shot and luckily enough, I really enjoy them!
P.S. I won't tell you about the other stuff I've tried in the past that didn't meet my expectations!
If you read the thread, you'd note that I made no negative comments regarding Club bells, or CST. However, the poster in question has all the right in the world to voice his own opinion on my message board, just like any of you would welcome to as well.
02-06-2004, 03:24 PM
We in the systema community get flamed like that all the time. Now you can take two approaches to such comments. 1. Get sucked into the argument and emotionally involved in convincing that gentleman that he was wrong or 2. You can just let him be and enjoy the benefits of something that is already producing results for you. If people aren't interested in really trying out your clubbells or your martial arts system or your brand of beer, its their choice. What is right for you might not be right for them. If you see value in something, of course you are going to want to share it, but just because you see value in it, doesn't mean everyone else is going to. Enjoy what you have found and continue to share it with more receptive people. Just my $0.02.
02-07-2004, 06:16 PM
A fully-qualified grip-CG weight trainer would also spend $1200 learning how to coach lifting safely and effectively. "Just buy something cheap and heavy and pick it up lots of times." Then, while your tendons reattach...
The serious contention is "cheap beer". Now, here's how you do it. Buy a 6-pak of good beer, and a case of whatever's on sale. Drink the good beer first, and you won't care that the other one is cheap.
In good spirits,
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