Warrior Evening meals

[Monkey]

Hi all,

Seen some great stuff about this diet, and great article in the latest CST.

Apppreicate that the idea is that the food varies but what kind of quantities are people eating as the meal of the day on the Warrior (in terms of quantity, food types etc) and what is anyones experience of the fat cycling?


Monkey

[Mike]

I tend to listen to what my body wants, But on average I usually start my main meal with green salad and oil/vinegar dressing. Then I'll have some sort of meat, usually chicken with a carb like whole grain rice. After that, if I want something sweet I'll have a mango or some banannas!

This is when I'm strict with the diet. I usually eat until I'm about 3/4 full, but I never gorge to the point where I'm a lying heap. My main meal is usually around 5:00 pm which is probably pretty early compared to other Warrior Dieters, but I don't like going to bed with a lot of food in my stomach.
Occasionally I'll have something like Ice cream or a couple pieces of chocolate for dessert, but nothing too extreme. I like bread too, so I have some with dinner from time to time!

If you want specifics you may just want to buy the book. Amazon has the paperback for pretty cheap, something like 15 dollars!

[humilispuer]

My food intake varies greatly. However, I always eat a very large salad and large amount of vegetables. My meat intake varies from .5 lb to 3 lbs. I try to rotate the types of meat as well. Fat cycling has worked pretty darn well for me. I only eat a low fat high carb meal every once in a while though. I stick to paleo foods for my meals as well.

[Chuck Sproule]

Hi guys,

The amount of food should vary on your evening meals. Especially the protein quantities. You meal should start with a nice salad then move on to your protein choice with a lot of steamed veggies (preferably broccoli and cauliflower or other cruciferous veggies). You now need to make a choice as to what finishes your evening. If you decide to have something sweet like chocolate etc then stay away from starches altogether! No breads, grains etc. The combination will be disasterous for you. If you choose starches, then eat as much as you feel like in this category, but limit foods that have more than 5 grams of sugars in them (like most cereals).

Like Jonathon said, you may also choose to fat load on a certain evening or two. This is where you eat only a moderate amount of protein (.5-1 lb.) and have no carbs but fill up on raw nuts. The best choice is almonds, but you can also choose pecans, walnuts, or pistachios.

Try cycling these nights and see the results start to happen.

If you guys have any more questions, give me a shout anytime.

[Connie Brown]

I have tried what Bill does, eating lightly during the day. Feels pretty darn good.

One thing I must watch out for personally though. If I am too hungry by the time I must cook the evening meal, I don't wanna do all that prep, and it is tempting to grab something "convenient" (and automatically, not good). So I don't go to "hunger fatigue" or even "on the nerve."

The recommendation to eat RAW fruits and veggies during the day has been a nice improvement to my program. Otherwise I would have avoided the whole thing. Fruits alone are a problem (triggery) and I don't normally like raw vegetables, so this is getting me to try new things one by one. So baby carrots, half apple, snap peas are winners so far. Still gives me the creeps to get fresh berries out of season from Chile though. Oh the expense and not organic....

[Monkey]

I am trying to eat paleo as well.

Not easy some days, get terrible cravings (sugar generally). Thats a lot of meat to eat daily.

In the fat cycling how often would you need to do "fat" days and how long do you do them for?

Is there any proof (other than anecdotal) that cycling makes the body more efective at fat metabolism?


ATB

Monkey

[JasonE]

I am curious to know if there is any existing scientific data on the long-term impact of following this type of diet for 15 years or longer, or on how it impacts people with various disorders and lifestyles... and I've got some other questions as well:

What happens when we get older? Do we need to drop this diet or just modify it, or stick to it more strictly? Is it appropriate for people that engage in little or no athletic activity? Is it actually more beneficial to eat raw meats vs cooked? What about food allergies?

If this diet is based on what our ancestors ate, what's up with all the customized supplements? What purpose do they serve that the diet is falling short on? How do we really know that this is how they ate? How do we know that this was truly healthy for them?

For that matter, how did our ancestors follow and monitor their "cycling" of different foods and ingredients? If they didn't, how did they manage to be successful? If they didn't, how did they manage to get lean and strong? How did they eat to cultivate and maintain strength endurance that blows away so many modern athletes without consciously monitoring every particle of food content for what was "good" or "bad"?

What makes this more ideal than following the Amish diet or the Lumberjack Diet or the Kazack Diet? (3 diets that let you eat all you want of anything but you work your a@@ off) Is diet truly more important than activity, or equally important, or less important?

I am asking these questions and many more of all the popular diets I keep hearing about. Everywhere I turn I hear about the new ultimate diet, and when I turn around, someone else is telling me how dangerous and unwise it is. This is why I am doing my own homework on foods, metabolism, nutritional impacts on disease, and so forth.

I'd appreciate it if anyone can give me independently verifiable answers (or sources of answers) to the above questions about any of the popular diets out on the market.

I'm not looking for short-term results, but long-term solutions. Thanks!

[Connie Brown]

Jason, you know what I think? There IS no expert or study that can answer you.

Science has to be borne out by lived experience anyway, so if you start keeping your own eating journal you will figure out what works for you.

Athletes would never put up with haphazard memory about what their workouts were and what the RT and RPE is doing over time, so why would we settle for less when talking about fuel?

The whole long-term study thing has only been going on for less than a hundred years. And I do not think they can help US in our lifetime and this is why.

The scientific method says you construct a test to isolate a variable, get results. Then you get someone else to repeat it to see if the same thing happens. Then you publish in a peer-reviewed journal and everyone can trust it. Then when you think you know about one variable, you can work on the interaction of that one, with another variable it is interdependent with.

Now with fuel&exercise, there are thousands of variables. Can you imagine how long it will take to do studies on all those variables and THEN the interactions among them?

There is a nice discussion on the difficulties of dietary "studies" in Nourishing Traditions for starters. Also the Eades books, Schwarzbein, and DesMaisons.

[Jay76]

if you want expereince...shoot...better talk to Dr. Greg Ellis on that one..

www.ultimatedietsecrets.com

Jay :evil:

[bob_stra]

I am curious to know if there is any existing scientific data on the long-term impact of following this type of diet for 15 years or longer, or on how it impacts people with various disorders and lifestyles... and I've got some other questions as well:


I dunno Jason - I'm still looking into it myself. The more cynical side of me says that Warrior & Paleo are a clever way to reduce calories. After all, who can eat 3500 calories in one sitting?

Still, perhaps some of this will be of help to you (peer review studies etc)

http://www.beyondveg.com/cat/paleodiet/index.shtml

*still reading thru it myself - not sure if 100 % relevant.