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Nonomori
03-03-2004, 05:00 PM
I posted some of this in The Welcome Mat forum, but I suppose it won’t hurt to reiterate it here.

I am male, 39 years old, and 138 lbs. at 5’9”. I have always lived a largely sedentary lifestyle, although back in my twenties I took dance technique classes (mostly modern and ballet) for several years, and five years ago I tried an adult beginner gymnastics class for a few months. The dance classes were always frustrating, primarily because I felt like I was always fighting both my body and my mind (due to a combination of inflexibility and an inability to let my body move without consciously micro-controlling every motion). The gymnastics class was fun, but it mainly served to demonstrate the inadequacy of my physical conditioning.

Then, about a year ago, I signed up for a dance composition class. For the first time, I was not fighting myself, because I was able to choose movements which I had the physical capacity to perform, and the creative exercises forced me to concentrate on performance over technique. The problem was, I kept coming up with ideas which I was not physically capable of performing. I wanted to change that.

Since my previous attempts at physical conditioning had proven largely ineffectual, I went to a physical therapist I respected in the hopes of obtaining a conditioning program that would finally produce noticeable results. She showed me how to do a bunch of Pilates-type exercises, but when I pressed her for an actual program with designed routines, she instead told me to listen to my body. I went home a bit frustrated, because I did not know how to listen to my body. So, instead of focusing on the exercises she gave me, I embarked on what has become a year-long experiment with various exercise modalities. The experiment has done little for my physical conditioning, but it has been valuable nonetheless, because I finally believe I understand what it means to listen to my body.

I made some other useful discoveries about myself, which I believe factored into my prior failures. For one thing, I have a tendency to try too hard. When I stretched, I would push beyond the point where I could expect anything other than reflexive rebellion from my body. Whenever I went to the gym, I beat myself into the ground. As a result, I had to psych myself up every time I did any kind of exercise, and I found it impossible to stick with any kind of program for very long. By contrast, this last year of experimentation has shown me that exercise can actually be fun.

But I still need to develop exercise into a habit. I still need to find the motivation to do so. And I still need to establish clear goals.

Due to scheduling problems, I have been able to take very few dance classes since last spring. But I have registered for a week-long dance intensive at the beginning of August, and I want to be ready. I have also learned that there may be a CST certification course relatively near me in June or July. (I live in Cleveland, Ohio.) I would like to see if I can get ready for that too.

These deadlines provide motivation and focus, but it may be a tall order, and I’m not sure how to get there. Here are the goals I think I would like to focus on, in rough order of priority...

1. Avoid injury (and muscular imbalance).

2. Turn exercise into a habit.

3. Develop sufficient strength and muscular endurance by June to make it through a CST seminar and meet the certification requirements.

4. Develop sufficient flexibility that I can sit on the floor with my legs straight out in front of me, while maintaining an arch in the lumbar region of my spine instead of rounding it. Work toward splits.

5. Develop a reliable handstand. Work toward handstand pushups and perhaps even a back handspring eventually.

6. Improve my ability to stand on one leg while moving my other limbs (and torso) in arbitrary directions.

7. Improve cardiovascular endurance.

A related goal would be to improve my diet, but for the time being I think my focus there may have to be limited to just eating more consistently. I eat reasonably healthily, but I have a tendency to forget meals.

For equipment, I’ve got a chin-up bar, a squat-rack-sort-of-thing called a ProSpot (http://www.prospotfitness.com/pages/p100.html) with a barbell and a bunch of Olympic plates, a few lightweight dumbbells (none over 15 lbs.), a 1-pood kettlebell, and pairs of 5-lb. and 10-lb. Clubbells, with a 15-lb. pair on order. I also have a weird machine designed to work glutes and hip adductors and abductors from a standing position, and I have a ballet barre and a 7’x14’ tumbling mat.

Currently, my “regular” exercise “program” consists solely of doing chin-ups and pistols several times a day, whenever I remember to do them (and in the case of the chin-ups, only when I am at home). I only do one at a time, since my current max sets are four chins and three pistols. (Occasionally I do two chins at once, but a lot of the time even doing one seems like it takes so much effort than I am reluctant to try for two.)

I am contemplating trying a PTP program of squats, but I’m not sure whether that makes sense in the context of my goals. It seems like I should be doing something with presses, but I’m not sure what that ought to be either. (My max set of standard pushups is eighteen, and both the one-arm pushup and the de-SISS-ified variety are quite beyond me.)

Be Breathed seems like it would be a good idea, as does Warrior Wellness. Obviously, given my goals, I should probably be doing swipes and mills. Since I haven’t got my 15-lb. Clubbells yet, I don’t know how far away I am from being able to meet the certification requirements. I haven’t ever tried more than about ten swipes with my 10-lb. Clubbells, because I’ve been mostly trying to figure out the mills, and they’re pretty tiring – especially since I suspect I’m doing them wrong.

I really like doing Good Mornings with my kettlebell, because of how it works my tight hamstrings. Swings are fun too, but I’m not sure I should be doing them if I’m going to be working on Swipes with Clubbells. Pressing the kettlebell seems like it might be a good idea, but again I worry about doing too much. As a relative novice, I have to be careful not to jump into too much too soon, or I’m sure I’ll burn out both physically and mentally.

Physically, it should be apparent that I don’t have a lot of strength. My 1RM on the squat is just 150 lbs. and my upper-body strength is even less by comparison. I have little stamina, and I have a lot of tightness in my hamstrings and pecs. My shoulder flexibility isn’t all that great either. (Doing backward circles makes me feel really good, and I like armpit casts too. I’ve been mostly doing drumming, but given my goals, I reckon I should switch to swipes.)

I have no real history of injury, although I have only recently recovered from sessamoiditis in my left foot, caused (I believe) by too much improper use of a mini-trampoline nearly a year ago. I also have a slight Duputren's contracture on my right hand which sometimes causes pain when my fingers are hyper-extended (as when doing pushups or handstands), and which affects the pattern of abrasion and callus formation when swinging Clubbells. It hasn't really been a problem yet.

I also have a chronic problem with pain (I believe due to muscle spasms) under the shoulder blades. It is not a problem while I am sitting at a computer all day, but when I take a long walk, or when I spend a fair amount of time bending over to cook and wash dishes, it can get pretty painful. It has never been an issue while exercising, but it may indicate something significant about muscular imbalance and/or patterns of tension.

Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Coach Billew
03-04-2004, 11:47 AM
Brent,

Welcome to the Tribe.

I am a theatre teacher and director, who works from a movement base and has done some work with dancers. I am in the midst of doing the research that will lead up to CST for Performers programs. So I am excited to suggest somethings to you, and see what works for you.

Chuck gave some great advice in the Welcome Mat forum. Warrior Wellness is an excellent way to develop. I have been using the various iterations of WW for the past two years, and they have transformed my body and my life.

You're post was very detailed, but I have a few more questions.

You said your schedule is very busy. How much time do you have available for training?

What are you going to be doing at the Dance Workshop you are planning to attend? I am fairly conversant in Modern Dance terminology, so please feel free to use it.

Its going to take me a few days to really study your post, and come back with some more questions and suggestions. So please be patient.

Just a couple more thoughts.

You should look into getting the Bodyflow book. It will address a number of your issues, and help give you a common language with the people here.

Also when it comes to making exercize a habit, I struggled for many years with just that question, and the conclusion I have come to is that I can't make it a habit(meaning something I just do automatically without having to leverage myself), but I can make sure that the things I do when I exercise are enjoyable. This way on the days when I don't feel like training all I have to do is convince myself to get started because once I start I am having such a great time I don't want to stop.

Nonomori
03-04-2004, 01:21 PM
Slade, thanks for your willingness and interest to help.

My schedule is pretty flexible actually, but most of the time I could use for training is going to take time away from other projects. My biggest concern is trying to do too much and getting bored. My second biggest concern is trying to do too much and getting overtrained.

One thing I didn't mention was my collection of educational materials. I have a good bit of Scott Sonnon's stuff, but most of the videos I haven't gotten around to watching yet. Specifically, I've got the Complete Zdorovye Russian Natural Health Library (which includes Warrior Wellness and Be Breathed), Body-Flow (both book and video), Maximology, Freedom by Degree, and Clubbell Training for Circular Strength (both book and video). I've read both books, I've watched the Clubbell Training video and the first Warrior Wellness video two or three times, I've watched Be Breathed and Maximology once, and I'm still slowly working my way through Freedom by Degree and Body-Flow.

I like the way the Warrior Wellness makes me feel, but I find it boring. My inclination is to break it up into multiple shorter sessions. Some of the exercises can easily be done in my cubicle, even sitting at my computer (e.g. neck, wrists, and fingers). I do a few reps of some of the exercises every so often when I think of them, but I have been pretty undisciplined about it. I'm quite certain that I'm leaving out a bunch of the exercises, but I haven't made a list from the tape and broken it down in an organized fashion. Also, I'm going solely from the first tape. Perhaps I should watch the other tapes and see if I get any more creative ideas about how to use them.

Sometimes when I do my pistols I go through the four-corner balance drill too, but I don't have room for that in my cubicle, so the drill doesn't usually get done. There's no real excuse for not doing it more often, though, since it's a drill which relates directly to my goals.

My office is moving at the end of April to a building which has an employee fitness center two floors down. That means it should be possible for me to wander down there a couple of times a day for brief workouts.

I don't know yet what all I'll be doing at the dance workshop. I know they've got ballet and modern classes every morning, but there are electives in the afternoon, and I don't have any kind of list or schedule. Also, I don't know what kind of modern technique they will be teaching. Most of my background is in Hawkins technique. The fact is, I could consider myself ready for the workshop now, but I know I will get a lot more out of it if I'm in better condition. From a conditioning standpoint, the CST course is a much bigger concern. If I'm physically ready for that, then I'll be ready for the dance workshop in every area except flexibility and familiarity with the dance moves. (I'll want to get some ballet class videotapes, I think.)

From my perspective, the Body-Flow material is the most exciting part of Scott Sonnon's material, because it looks like so much fun, and because it lends itself so directly to choreographic ideas. (The fact that swinging Clubbells is fun too, and integrates well with the Body-Flow, is icing on the cake.) But I'm still trying to get the hang of some of the basic moves, and we're talking about moves that are a lot more demanding than a plie.

Thanks again, Slade. I'm looking forward to your ideas.

Coach Billew
03-10-2004, 11:06 AM
Brent,

Here goes. This is my first shot at suggesting exercises to someone I’ve never met over the internet, so bear with the restrictions of the medium. Also please understand that these are just suggestions and you need to listen to yourself about what works best for you.

First, give Warrior Wellness a dedicated try. Do the beginner routine everyday for two weeks and then let me know what you think. Think of WW as a chance to explore your body. Its not so much an exercise routine as it is an exploration of your body’s motion. Also it is a diagnostic of how you are doing. Particullarly as you increase your Clubbell work that will be important. The WW routine will let you know where you are sore or tight and help you release that tension so you recover faster.

Second, start exploring Body-Flow. I am still unclear about your schedule so I don’t know how much time you can dedicate to this weekly, but I want to give you a general protocol to follow. For this protocol choose three biomechanical exercises that look fun and challenging. Spend a practice session or two on each exercise. In these sessions break each exercise down into its elementary motor components and do each component a few times in the order they are in the exercise, in reverse order, and doing the middle component first. Then sew the whole exercise together. After you are comfortable with each of the three BME’s then explore putting them together into a Kinetic Chain. Spend at least two training sessions exploring this chain. Remember to concentrate on the movements between more then the beginning and end. I would suggest each of these sessions be around 20min. The value of this is that it will increase your movement efficiency and ultimately it will improve your ability to learn new movements which will help with your dance. If you want to explore these movement in a more dance like fashion let me know and I can give you some thoughts on that. But be aware that the physical tension that is necessary to express feeling in art competes with the integration of movement, breathing and structure that CST enhances.

Lastly, the Clubbell, since your goal is to get ready for CST certification I would say continuing to work with Mills and Swipes is the way to go. I would reccomend that you start a Death March Protocol. Details of this are in the CST book. Since you are concerned about over doing it, I would work with one of the exercises at a time. The reason I suggest the Death March protocol is that I believe you are stronger than you think you are and the Deathmarch protocol will allow you to prove that to yourself. Take it incrementally and start with the 10# clubbell if your more comfortable with that.

Those are my thoughts so far. Once you feel ready for CST certification, we can look at specific exercises for modern dance. Please keep me posted as to your progress, and feel free to post or email any questions you might have.

Nonomori
03-10-2004, 08:21 PM
Thanks, Slade. You've given me a lot to think about. I presume that the Death March protocol is the Density Training program described on p169 of the CST book. If not, I'd appreciate it if you could point me in the right direction.

For the Death March, it seems logical to choose Swipes, since right now I am nowhere close to grooving the Mill, and since I suspect (possibly naively) that once I do develop passable skill, it will be easier for me to meet the certification requirement for Mills than for Swipes. I base that suspicion on the fact that I can currently do about five Shield Casts and at least five Inward Pendulums with the 15-lb. Clubbell - right hand only! - and certification only requires me to do 11 per hand.

I'm not sure where to start with the Death March, so I tried an experiment this evening, described in my Learning Swipes (http://circularstrengthmag.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1751) thread in the Strength, Conditioning & Performance Enhancement (http://circularstrengthmag.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4) forum. Based on Coach Sonnon's article on Phase IV: The Path of Strength Endurance (http://www.circularstrengthmag.com/18/sonnon1.html), I could conclude that, since my target is 30 reps with the 15-lb. Clubbells, and since the 15-pounder is 50% heavier than the 10-pounder, I should aim for 45 reps with the 10-pounder. The article shows a progression based on session volume equal to single-set target volume, with decreasing rest intervals between sets. On that basis, I should do 45 reps per session. The CST book, on the other hand, suggests that the session volume be double the single-set target volume. I'm not sure what to make of this discrepancy, unless it has to do with the difference between Phase IV and Phase II. Since it is arguable whether I even qualify for Phase II, I based my experiment on the book, and went for 90 reps. The results are described in the thread I referenced.

I am going to have to spend some time with the Body-Flow book and tapes before I can pick my exercises. That should be fun.

Above all, I'm getting a very strong sense that I really need to make Warrior Wellness the centerpiece of my program. So be it.

I am dropping my GTG work with chin-ups and pistols, since I think my GTG neurons would be put to better use at the moment on the Mill components, and since my arms are pretty well fried by the Clubbell work. But I am wondering whether it might be appropriate to include PTP squats in my program, since the Clubbell work doesn't seem to work my legs (or back) nearly as much as my arms.

Again, Slade, I very much appreciate your taking the time to consider my program.