IOUF - slingshot?

[bob_stra]

Hi All

Be gentle, this is my first post...and probably on the wrong forum to boot!

Just recently recieved the IOUF series. Amidst all the boggling concepts, the one that stands out for me is the slingshot.

I must have watched the section of JMC abt 10 time by now, but I can't for the life work out what Scott does. It kind looks like he pedels his front leg, then jams it backwards into the ground. I've tried that, and it kinda feels the way it looks on the screen (if that makes sense). Kind of like falling off a step at night ;-)

However, I'm not sure if I'm doing it right. I'm also not sure how to best apply the slingshot. It seem to add zero to my speed in the "forward leap tackle" ;-)

With that in mind, can you guys give me some tips on this? What exactly is the purpose of the slingshot? As best I can figure, it helps disguise you triangle point? I also assume it increases S.E.E., but I've not noticed any difference in velocity.

[Robert V]

This has to be one of my favorite concepts. I realized how well it worked when I taught one of my trainining partners from my combative group. He is in his mid-forties, 260lbs and he has never wrestled, even though he has studied martial arts all of his life.

He never shoots for takedowns. Yet, after I showed him the concepts he looked like Kurt Angle shooting doubles.

Why?

You use your opponents energy to increase your own speed. You grab his wrist or jacket sleeve and he instinctively reacts by pulling back. As he does, this initiates and multiplies your own forward energy for the double. His hands are also occupied.

You must shoot through your opponent!

[Scott Sonnon]

Bob,

Welcome to the Tribe! Always a pleasure to have the men from OZ making an appearance.
My tactical progression of grappling can be condensed to:
1. Structure: proper alignment specific to the sport
2. Movement: (de)compressing space to create an angle (such as the Box Step)
3. Exhale and Control Pause
4. Level Change: decrease structure (not bending)
5. Penetration: move through the opponent, not at the opponent
6. Drive/Lift: dominate the Joint Mass Center and move the opponent from his Center of Mass while he's in Zero Position (free fall) from initial Penetrating collision
7. Follow-thru: conserve inertia of Drive/Lift and preserve domination of JMC until bringing opponent to the ground
8. Control: exploit impact to control opponent's breathing in Ground Control
9. Submit/Monitor: establish awareness of environment (if necessary), and await/assess which submission hold the opponent is offering you most readily. That's basically my entire fight plan (when things go right - which they don't always do).

The Slingshot is a Movement which allows you to keep Structure and Exhale to the CP while simultaneously Level Changing and Penetrating which capitalizing on the opponent's energy (as Robert so insightfully added).

It definitely takes practice, practice, practice.

[Robert V]

Wow!

That's it. I don't know if you have wrestle before, but "changing levels" is what separates a grapplers from some one just trying to grab some legs.

Don't get caught up in Scott's beautiful "technical" demos.

Just learn how to fit in, high grip, sleeve grip, put weight on your opponent, control the solar plexus, drop your hips, identify your mobile leg, your support leg and the throw will beg you to be unleashed!

The force vectors will guide you.

You must get "Leg Fencing" to sharpen your tools.

Time is your friend.

[bob_stra]

Thanks guys. Much appreciated.

Anyone else have examples of using the slingshot? I need some kind of context to "mentalize" the move in order to aid my experimenting with it.

PS: Who knew Mr Sonnon had a sense of humor? Poor Scott Fable... forvever cursed to walk with a funny lilt :)

A funny changing levels story.

A couple years ago I was in NY so I popped into a class at Renzo Gracies Acadamy. We worked on changing level, you go, I go, for, oh, I don't know, about 2 hours without stopping. Suffice to say I couldn't change levels again for a week and never again did it wrong.

[Scott Sonnon]

Bill, we must have gone to the same ‘school’ – I have a similar colorful recount of learning the Slingshot in Southern Russia from a tyrannical 5 foot tall T-bar mustached Cossack dance instructor (who just also happened to be a Master of Sport in Sambo, a ROSS instructor, and former KGB 'intel officer'). I loved that guy, but man o' day was he... pharmaceutically precise (he'd make Amish quilt stitching look sloppy.) Thank God for the extra seat on the flight home, because no way could my legs stay under the seat in front of me.

[bob_stra]

As a postscript...

I went back and looked at it all again from scratch. Suffice to say, you folks were right - the slingshot relies on creating a reaction. Seems I was trying to imagine of applying the slingshot from long range. (lunge in via slingshot)

:oops:

My bad

[Sharp Phil]

IOUF Review (http://www.philelmore.com/martial/iouf-1.htm)

[bob_stra]

IOUF Review (http://www.philelmore.com/martial/iouf-1.htm)

Well Phil. like I wrote in your guestbook, your review was one of *the* reasons why I got IOUF. Read it more that once, suffice to say ;-)

But I'm not quite sure to what, in particular, your pointing me towards. Specifically re: slingshot

PS: Will you be covering the Athrokinetics tape soon? I'm curious to read your take on them ;-)

[Sharp Phil]

I posted the link as general reference for viewers of the thread; I should have specified that, as I did not have anything particular in mind. I will indeed be covering AK soon; it has taken me a lot longer that I would like to get through it, owing to work and home obligations.