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jon
03-25-2004, 11:51 PM
anyone heard of the energy diet?

i heard its much more carb based and goes against high protein diets.

apparently its good for more endurance based training.

for basketball, my sport, how would it perform v. an ellis type diet?

anyhow, heres the details....

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•Fat is a good fuel for walking – but not for anything faster. That’s why you can’t rely on a Mars bar for a marathon.

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• How to base your meals around carbohydrate foods • Replacing fat-rich foods with carbohydrates • What to drink with meals and at bedtime
• Carbo-rich sauces for pasta dishes • High-carbo breakfast: how to start the day • Carbo-rich sandwiches and snacks

Advice for all activities
For the purposes of the energy diet, sports can be divided into three activities:

1. Aerobic: endurance events such as running and swimming

2. Anaerobic: short intense bursts of activity such as sprinting

3. Strength: weightlifting and throwing

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what do you think? maybe not the best for body comp trainining but for

increasing explosiveness? or for sports spec training (ie bball in my case?)

cheers guys

jon

03-26-2004, 03:19 AM
I better run out and tell the 2 mulitple time world champion jujitsu players I train with that they better carb up.

IT'S AN AD.

Atkins Pancakes.
"Low Carb" KFC

Same thing.

Bill

humilispuer
03-26-2004, 03:23 AM
Bill hit it on the head - I think it's bullshit. Fat's not good for anything but walking? LoL. Whoops, someone forgot to share that with Steve Maxwell, Bill Fox, myself, and a large number of athletes who've found more energy and better performance with a high fat regimen. It will take a bit for your body to adjust to burning fat, once it does though, it's smooth sailing from there.

-Jonathon

jon
03-26-2004, 03:54 AM
cheers

jon

jon
03-26-2004, 04:01 AM
a few questions

1. how long for the adjustment (fat burning) jon

2. from monday to sunday what does your daily food menu

look like (bill and jon)?

sorry if you've been asked a million times..

3. and if i adopt this approach how long to see results?

im 180lbs, 6foot4, 10 to 13% bf. and would like to get down to 8 or 9%.
I cycle for 20 min 5 times a week to work, do chins and presses, plyometrics * 2 a week plus play social bball.


thanks for your insight fellas

jon

humilispuer
03-26-2004, 05:04 AM
Can't really say how long the adjustment period will take. You will begin to feel the positive effects of the diet fairly quickly. True adaptation is not a "quick" process though.

I follow a paleo/warrior diet hybrid. Throughout the day I will eat a handful of nuts or some protein if I am hungry (raw nuts. eggs, fish, chicken, etc., only about 4-6 oz). When dinnertime rolls around things change quite a bit. I may or may not start off the night with a large salad. On any given night though I will eat 1-2 lbs of meat or 12-18 eggs and a TON of steamed veggies. If I am still hungry I will finish up with some nuts. Every once in a while I will go off the diet for a night and eat whatever I want. For me, the plan is easy to stick with and my performance, health, and body composition continue to improve.

I would imagine that for the first 3-5 days you will feel fairly crappy. After the first week you should start feeling pretty damn good, both mentally and physically. You will probably drop 5-7 pounds of water within the first week as well. From that first week out, things will continue to get better. Most likely, you will notice your skin getting tighter and muscles harder. Your energy levels should be above the "norm" and your endurance will continue to improve. I don't know for sure how long it will take for you to see results. The results will come though.

Also, don't know if you would be interested but I'll suggest anyway; Crossfit is an amazing training regimen that has worked wonders for me thus far. Combining Crossfit with my current dietary habits has produced increased performance, increased LBM, decreased fat mass. If you decide to check it out: www.crossfit.com

-Jonathon

03-26-2004, 05:48 AM
Jonathan is accurate on the time to adjust etc....

I eat

6:00 Big TB of peanut butter

8:00 Venti Ice Mocha made with half and half ( this is my adaption after years of playing around) since I sit at a desk i found that I like to have somthing to sip all day)

12:00 Either more PB or if meeting friends for lunch - a cup of shredded chicken from the Chinese place

3:00 hanfdfull of Nuts and 32 oz H20 w/ 3-4 grams creatine

6:00 TRAIN like maniac

7:00 Here's the big difference. I have basically the same meal as Jon but just normal size. Because of the ice mocha and being 44 that's all i need.

Bill

Shaf
03-26-2004, 07:53 AM
You guys must be extremely carb-intolerant. I think that this is a highly individual thing. Carbs are a legit energy source for the body, and preferred from some kind of activity.

jon
03-26-2004, 12:54 PM
bill

how do you make a

Venti Ice Mocha made with half and half ?

im not really into this coffee terminology.

cheers

jon

James Boelter
03-27-2004, 02:29 AM
Carbo loading is so 'five minutes ago'... :roll:

I point you to Dr. Barry Sears (of 'Enter The Zone' repute) who significantly enhanced the performances, health, and competition records of the Stanford varsity swimming teams by introducing an extra 1000 calories a day of FAT into their diets ('good' fats of course; he didn't just ladle spoonfuls of Crisco into their breakfast cereal or have them pound down sacks of McDonald's french fries).

Sears also pointed out, right there in the intro section of the 1st Zone book, that about 1/4 to 1/3 of the population is genetically equipped to thrive (or at least tolerate) on a high carb/low fat diet; it's the rest of us who don't have those high powered beta cells and insulin receptors who fail when we try to emulate them.

That's one of the most irritating things about the modern mass media's so-called 'coverage' of high carb vs high protein...no one even acknowledges that a so-called 'high protein guru' (which Sears is NOT - he says he advocates 'adequate protein' and 'limited carbs') says that high carb works for SOME people. It's as if they didn't even bother to READ the books they are criticizing or popularizing....(noooo, it couldn't be....could it?? )

One thing about this...sometimes a dietary change, ANY change, will help benefit you because suddenly you are no longer taking your diet for granted, but are actually thinking and monitoring your consumption patterns, and seeing that you HAVE patterns. It's the pattern interrupt, not the specific pattern you happen to choose, that makes the difference.

Oh, and the easiest way to get through the 'adjustment' phase for a low carb/high protein/Paleo etc. way of eating? Be sure to get 9-10 hours a sleep every night, starting around 9 pm until whenever. Do this and I can almost guarantee that carb cravings will be almost nonexistent, and energy levels will remain pretty steady, no 'crappiness' at all.

See Dan John's experiences with a 'Lights Out' approach to weight loss and lots of sleep in his excellent website

www.danjohn.org/coach.html

humilispuer
03-27-2004, 06:39 AM
James,

Great point about Dr. Sears. I, for one, do not tolerate carbs well. However, I know a few who do. More power to them. Dan John's information is solid. The more sleep I get, the more fat I lose and the better my overall performance.

-Jonathon

Scotty D.
03-27-2004, 10:19 AM
On my own high-carb diet, I have found from my experience and research that it is the percentage of calories in my diet coming from fat that creates intolerance towards the carbs. And it makes sense... Fats inhibit the release of insulin from the pancreas, causing sugar to remain in the blood (high-blood sugar). If one eats high-carbs with 10% or less calories coming from fat, the sugars enter and exit the blood rapidly, keeping a balanced blood sugar level and giving rapid replenishment to muscle glycogen stores.

All this said, I am excited to be learning about these high-fat and high-protein diets from you folk, as I love to experiment and am specualting on the consequences of eating for aerobic metabolism. I was eating an 8/1/1 ratio, carbs/fat/protein, 3000 calories a day, and have now moved more towards 7/2/1. Next I will probably move to 6/2/2, although the time management may be a hassle, as I want to eat my carb meals with as little fat and protein in the bloodstream as possible.

Check out the article 'Nutrition and Energy: How Well It Becomes You' in the articles section of http://www.foodnsport.com for background info on my 8/1/1 diet.

Jay76
03-27-2004, 03:24 PM
Bill

Wow..thats all you eat all day? Surprised you dont loose muscle mass? no? mabye because your not killing yourself with cardio, thats why?

If someone wanted to get bigger, would they have to eat more throughout the day at all?

Jay :roll:

Connie Brown
03-27-2004, 08:03 PM
Fats inhibit the release of insulin from the pancreas, causing sugar to remain in the blood (high-blood sugar). If one eats high-carbs with 10% or less calories coming from fat, the sugars enter and exit the blood rapidly, keeping a balanced blood sugar level and giving rapid replenishment to muscle glycogen stores.
Where did you get this idea? Authors, books?

Fats do slow the rate of carbs breaking down into sugar, which could lead to less insulin needed in response to the carb load. Fiber also slows down the rate of carbs converting to sugar.

but oh my gosh, how quickly blood sugar comes and goes after that depends on many more variables than the fat percent going in.

Here's an interesting training program that prescribes a diet that is
6:2:2 (if I may borrow your terminology):

http://www.trans-health.com/Iss2Vol1/diet.htm

humilispuer
03-28-2004, 06:58 AM
LMFAO :lol: That was great! Thanks for that one Connie!

-Jonathon

Connie Brown
03-28-2004, 09:23 AM
LMFAO :lol: That was great! Thanks for that one Connie!
We aim to please. Mistress Krista NEVER disappoints. :D

03-28-2004, 09:41 AM
Jay

I dont know if you frequent the other boards much, but I have minced few words in describing my beleifs re: CALORIES = MUSCLE.

THEY DON'T.

You can only build a tiny amount of muscle in a day and it does not require 500 extra cals to do so.

Bill

Scotty D.
03-28-2004, 09:49 AM
Connie, thanks for the article lead. Interesting to hear about the transgender application of nutrition and fitness. Again, I am not so much engaging large aerobic work-outs, and don't feel to be burning away my mass. The information about fat reducing insulin production came from Dr.Graham at his website and forum (raw food and sports forum at vegsource.com).

Connie Brown
03-28-2004, 01:43 PM
The information about fat reducing insulin production came from Dr.Graham at his website and forum (raw food and sports forum at vegsource.com).
Thanks for the reference Scotty.

Dr. Graham seems to be a "fat makes you fat," high-carb and low-fat veg guy and I vote no confidence in such diets for me so I will shut up. But at least now I know who he is, so thanks.

Scotty D.
04-05-2004, 04:02 PM
Well, I will not say that Doc Graham is not a 'fat makes you fat' fellow. However, this is not the approach that he emphasizes. It is more so that simple sugars enter the blood stream almost immediatly, whereas fats and proteins must go through the lymph system and take at least a day before entering the bloodstream. Therefore, to supply immediate energy and restore muscle glycogen, fruit is the most efficient choice.

What I have heard from Doc Graham, in terms of getting fat, is the straightforward 'more calories than you need gains one weight, and under-eating calories loses one weight'.

His book 'Nutrition and Athletic Performance' gives credit to the beneficial and neccesary aspects of fat. The approach is not a 'be scared of fat', but a 'enjoy the benefits of high-carb intake', from fruit, as he has also published a book 'Grain Damage', citing both the nutritional and environmental catastrophes associated with grain consumption.

Connie Brown
04-05-2004, 04:08 PM
Thanks for the clarification. With a little luck I can use you as a reference for this point of view and not have to read yet another book! I know, that is not open minded, but even *I* am reaching my limits for nutrition input and that is saying something.

I am glad you're here - a person who has lived high-carb and has a sense of humor and willingness to learn - hmmm step right up, come on in.