NIce demo of flow in BJJ competition

[iboucher]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b33VkMp27V8

[Dave O]

It kind of looked like he was showboating to me.

However, I was turned off by the title and music from moment I clicked on the link.

WARNING: Watch out if you have kids in the room. There is Adult language.

[kcsportsdoc]

Toyed with his obviously outclassed opponent unnecessarily, instead of ending the bout cleanly. Trying to make highlight reels instead of competing.

[Chuck Kechter]

I don't know if it's true, but I heard there was some "disrespect" to Galvao by his opponent while in match. And thus Andre "took it to him" to show him his error.

[Scott Sonnon]

I'm sure this comment could be taken as "disrespect" but even if he were "disrespected" outside of the match somehow, as a national coach and international competitor, sportsmanship prioritizes over performance. But this is irrelevant to flow.

Flow should not be confused with freedom. Flow only exists when the athlete becomes sufficiently challenged so as to force a cerebral adaptation. Only when you become stressed enough does the mental-emotional component kick in... and elicit a deeper biochemical and neuroplastic transformation.

However, if your opponent is so outclassed that you are free to perform any move you want without dramatic risk, that's not you in flow. That's you free, relatively unaccountable. Yes, you can showboat and be a blowhard, smack-talker.

As a national coach, I'd observe this match and be very upset with my athlete. I'm only concerned with my athlete getting the job done professionally (displaying sportsmanship; performing with memorable class), and my athlete preparing for matches and events where he can be sufficiently challenged so as to need to tap into his flow-state.

I would restrict this athlete from competing in his sport. Most likely I would submit him into a sport where he would not be successful, where he was forced to rely upon his training, rather than upon his bravado. In this way, even if he's the best in one sport, he would again regain his humility - his beginner's mind, so that he never has to count on being lucky that he was not injured for such an audacious performance worthy of ridicule.

[lorenzodamarith]

hello,

well. this is actually quite common in jiujitsu/grappling. it appears andre galvao was trying to get the guy to fight back.

have done this quite a few times over the years. what happens is that you throw down, and it becomes immediately apparent that your partner doesn't know how to deal with you/position/technique/pace whatever.

usually this happens in the gym, you just position and move a bit trying to find something your opponent can take hold of or escape from.

mostly, it appeared that andre galvao was treating him like a student or training partner rather than opponent.

thanks

[Coach Clavijo]

hello,

well. this is actually quite common in jiujitsu/grappling.

As a BJJer myself, I must say... Alot of what happens in the "jiujitsu/grappling" culture makes me sick.

This is just one example.


it appeared that andre galvao was treating him like a student or training partner rather than opponent.

thanks


The thing is, this guy WAS an opponent and NOT a student or training partner. He deserves that respect, even if he is no match for Andre's skill. I can play around on some friends like that from time to time, but they are friends, and it is friendly. We both get a kick out of it.

As far as i'm concerned, trying to embarrass someone like that only makes you an embarrassment.

Other than that...yeah, mad skills.

[Reverend Linus]

Winning cleanly is sufficient. This was a tasteless display.

[Chuck Kechter]

To reiterate: I don't know for a fact that that was what happened, it's only what I heard from a third, or forth hand source. :canworms:

And in no way am I defending his actions...

[lorenzodamarith]

As a BJJer myself, I must say... Alot of what happens in the "jiujitsu/grappling" culture makes me sick.

This is just one example.




The thing is, this guy WAS an opponent and NOT a student or training partner. He deserves that respect, even if he is no match for Andre's skill. I can play around on some friends like that from time to time, but they are friends, and it is friendly. We both get a kick out of it.

As far as i'm concerned, trying to embarrass someone like that only makes you an embarrassment.

Other than that...yeah, mad skills.

hello,

nktob, the fact that bjj even has a culture is cause for sickness. hahahahahahahaha!

agreed, they were not training partners. will elaborate.

in past years, all andre galvao did was train (he taught occasionally... VERY occasionally). he was purely a competitor. one mind set at work during this time.

in recent years (like the last two... roughly) he has become a teacher. near full time. different, unfamiliar mindset at work now.

he is not used to it. the mindset difference is confusing when just starting out in anything.

clearly, he did not spend enough time "competing" prior to this match to put his "game face" back on.

anyway, this is hardly even a noteworthy occurrence.

and if something DID happen between them, if his opponent DID do or say something unpleasant, then this is just a consequence of that. considering the obvious skill difference, it could have been a LOT worse.

remember, their standards (ethical, moral, character or whatever) are not yours. don't expect them to be or act surprised when shown they are different.

thanks