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123 MMA
06-08-2009, 01:19 PM
I cannot sit in the correct base position when in somebodies guard in BJJ, as well as not having the range of motion to perform a correct double leg takedown.

I have had Osgooschlatters for 5 years now, I am 18. It is gradually getting better but I compete in BJJ so I dont want this disavantage on my side.

I have been to physiotherapists which have helped a bit but not got rid of it, the exercises that have been more beneficial is the advice I have gained from many different conditioning coaches/ mobility specialists online.

I would really appreiciate some exercises that would strengthen my knees to get the range of motion back to be able to sit correctly in guard and shoot a perfect double leg.

Thank you.

123 MMA
06-08-2009, 01:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMB3ToJPXzM Here is the guard position base I cannot get the range of motion in for people if they are unsure of what it is. Fast forward to about 30 seconds in.

If you notice the person in the video brings his butt back to his legs to get good balance, this is the range of motion I desperately need.

Coach Jones
06-09-2009, 09:23 AM
Well, a lot of it is going to depend on your training load and the management of that training load. If your competing in BJJ with Osgooschlatters, it's going to be tough to allow proper recovery and healing necessary.

How frequently are your training sessions? Are you VERY careful not to push through any pain in your knees?

I couldn't recommend IntuFlow more, but you will have to be very careful to not do too much too fast. That said, are you still seeing a good sports injury doc or PT?

123 MMA
06-09-2009, 03:22 PM
Well, a lot of it is going to depend on your training load and the management of that training load. If your competing in BJJ with Osgooschlatters, it's going to be tough to allow proper recovery and healing necessary.

How frequently are your training sessions? Are you VERY careful not to push through any pain in your knees?

I couldn't recommend Intu-Flow® more, but you will have to be very careful to not do too much too fast. That said, are you still seeing a good sports injury doc or PT?

I'm typically training BJJ 4 times a week, and one or two strength and conditioning sessions a week. But I don't feel too burnt out as I have a good diet.

What do you mean not push through? I dont allow any positions that are hurting my knee if thats what you mean, its more of not having the correct range of motion an balance in those certain positions that's the problem.

I don't see a sports injury doc or a PT as I have limited money, but also because for the treatment of Osgoodschlatters they usually just say rest and don't do much sports, along with some strengthening exercises (which I currently do anyway from what the physio told me)

I have also been given a great exercise by Steve Maxwell, he recommended Amosov squats which have been doing some good. I'm just looking for as much knowledge as possible really.

123 MMA
06-09-2009, 03:31 PM
I couldn't recommend Intu-Flow® more, but you will have to be very careful to not do too much too fast. That said, are you still seeing a good sports injury doc or PT?

I have a few joint mobility products which have given me some effective ideas. At the moment I am just looking for advice on some exercises that will give my knee the strength and the range of motion to sit back to my butt in the guard position.

Coach Jones
06-09-2009, 03:39 PM
I don't see a sports injury doc or a PT as I have limited money, but also because for the treatment of Osgoodschlatters they usually just say rest and don't do much sports, along with some strengthening exercises (which I currently do anyway from what the physio told me)


I'm not a PT, but as I understand Osgoodschlatters, it is something that most liikely won't be with you forever. if i'm incorrect about this, please someone more knowledgable correct me. The reason that rest and not a lot of sports is emphasized by the sports docs is that it's very easy to keep injuring yourself and not allowing time for your knee to heal.

It's dangerous to try and dole out advice to you without knowing all the details - with anyone who has any kind of medical pre-condition.

From my limited knowledge in this area, at 18 you shouldn't be plagued by Osgoodschlatters for very much longer as it's the rare case that lasts as you age. However, from what I understand any reisstance or load bearing exercise will most likely make the condition worse not better.

Again, hopefully one of the PTs or MDs hre can chime in with some good advice for you. I'd err on the side of a good PT.

Just my two cents.

Scott Sonnon
06-09-2009, 04:12 PM
As someone who recovered from it, the best methods I've found where Intu-Flow and Prasara Body-Flow.

Ryan Murdock
06-09-2009, 07:15 PM
As someone who recovered from it, the best methods I've found where Intu-Flow® and Prasara Body-Flow.

Coach is being too modest. He created these methods (particularly Intu-Flow) in order to cope with and eventually to heal the conditions he was plagued with - one of those being Osgoodschlatters.

123 MMA
06-10-2009, 05:13 AM
As someone who recovered from it, the best methods I've found where Intu-Flow® and Prasara Body-Flow.

Thanks Scott. So in Intu-Flow are there specific exercises that will help me regain this range of motion?

123 MMA
06-10-2009, 05:17 AM
From my limited knowledge in this area, at 18 you shouldn't be plagued by Osgoodschlatters for very much longer as it's the rare case that lasts as you age. However, from what I understand any reisstance or load bearing exercise will most likely make the condition worse not better.



I am very careful with the training I do, I never overload my knees or put too much stress on them.

123 MMA
06-11-2009, 03:43 PM
How many exercises in Intu-Flow are suitables to healing the conditions of OsgoodSchlatters?

Reverend Linus
06-11-2009, 05:00 PM
I can't speak directly to the condition you have, but as an older martial artist with pretty banged-up knees (years of TKD competition) I can tell you that Intu-Flow has helped me regain mobility and range of motion. It has also helped with the pain I used to experience on a pretty regular (nearly daily) basis.

Scott Sonnon
06-11-2009, 05:59 PM
How many exercises in Intu-Flow® are suitables to healing the conditions of OsgoodSchlatters?

If you want to heal, then you need a doctor or PT to recommend your treatment. You won't receive advice here to heal yourself from OS disease.

I.F. exercises will help you strengthen your connective tissue, and keep your fluid body (synovial fluid and ground-substance) distributing critical nutrition to the tissues which are starved for it.

123 MMA
06-23-2009, 03:50 PM
If you want to heal, then you need a doctor or PT to recommend your treatment. You won't receive advice here to heal yourself from OS disease.

I.F. exercises will help you strengthen your connective tissue, and keep your fluid body (synovial fluid and ground-substance) distributing critical nutrition to the tissues which are starved for it.

Thanks. Recently my knee has been getting better, I dont know if it's a coincidence!:)I have been doing the Intu Flow beginner exercise when you raise your leg.

Hopeully the improvement will keep going.