Deadlift

[kai]

Hello,

One hears so much about the deadlift and injuries and so on, that I'm wondering what is the general feeling/consensus among clubbell training coaches as to the value/danger of the deadlift?

Is it an exercise you value, or is it superfluous considering clubbell and/or kettlebell exercising?

Many thanks for your opinions.

[Scott Sonnon]

Kai,

Stop looking for the 'stock' answer from XYZ guru. Do what you love, what challenges you to extreme, do it consistently with proper rest and recovery, do it coordinated with proper nutrition and do it with proper form.

[kai]

Hello, I feel concerned about this issue. I'm really interested in knowing what people who train clubbells do as far as deadlifting is concerned.

Clubbells are a real change from classic training and I faitfully wonder if deadlifts are a necessary addition to clubbell training. I hear a lot wisdom thinking in these forums, I really value the answers one could give me in this forum.

Maybe your book adresses this question, I've ordered it from Amazon and hope to receive it middle of next week.

Thanks for your answer.

[Scott Sonnon]

Kai,

CST is stand-alone. You may study, practice and train in CST without any other supplemental form of movement or exercise and become very healthy and fit. That said, it's not mutually exclusive. CST will enhance your performance in any other form of physical culture.

[kai]

Hello and thanks for your answer.

[Vbrown]

I used to deadlift quite a bit, but not so much anymore. Not out of fear or anything, just trying to apply CST to all of training.

I found one aspect of my BJJ that needed "tuning" so I've taken to doing Zercher lifts, which is 90% like having someone yanking on you while you're in their guard.

But, read this part, it's not about making me "stronger" but finding my groove, opening my hips up, getting my spine in the right position etc. I use it more like a drill than a lift. It's become alot more complex just with that mental shift.

This will all make more sense when you get the book....and the video. And BodyFlow might be a good idea too. ;)

Vince

[Scott Sonnon]

BJJ SPP with the Zercher sounds like a great article, amigo.

[kai]

Thanks for the info Vince,

I have Body-Flow and should receive the Clubbell book tomorrow. I'm really looking forward to all of this and like the idea of drill vs pure lifts, I'm quite attracted to MAs but my flexibility and overall suppleness (flow I could say) is really poor.

I actually feel like I have to reset my body somehow...

[Vbrown]

Well, the point was not so much about MA, but to look at all activities in a new light. To find new uses for old things or new ways of handling old problems. A sense of play, if you will.

Coach: Hey thanks. It's next on my list. I've got the rough draft for one done now, but I need to have it vetted and take some photos. Should be dandy. :)

V

[Matt_OZ]

Great post Vince, I use my deads in much the same way you approach your Zerchers. I look my deads as a drill for learning to maintain optimal posture (or my idea of it anyway, I'm a Pilates instructor) while lifting more so than a purely strength orientated exercise. I've had a number of my clients approach deadlifts in this same manner and the results have been terrific, many of them saying it's the best their back has felt in ages. Being fixated on poundage above all else is one of the deadliest things a person do in the gym. If they see the lifts as movement drills against overload then I think many poeple would be far better off in both strength and injury rates.

[Robert V]

I'm with you, Matt!

I do deadlifts as an element of a anaerobic/muscle endurance circuit I do to when training for competition or just when I feel a need a change.

I rarely go over my bodyweight in the deadlift, focusing on "the perfect rep" instead.

I do a set of deadlifting, then a set of high pulls or hanging snatch, then a set of hanging cleans and finally a set of Push presses.

I go from one exercise to the other with about 10-15 seconds rest between and then I do multi-planar backarches. Afterwards, I do the series 2-3 more times.

I only do this every 3-4 months for month or so.

However, I can't do that type of work and CST with my "Bruiser".

Now, the bruiser gives me all I need. In a month or so, I do it again.

Scott's initial advice is the "secret of success'.