Garden of Eden Diet

[Tony Esposito]

:?: Hi,
I've eaten a Hi Protien, low Simple Carb diet for 40yrs and maintained a lean strong body as a result. Now that I've experienced 2 types of cancers, and recoved from thier attack and the resulting treatment over the last 16 months, I'm looking into changing my diet with the focus on cancer prevention and hi level of energy. The diet that I'm attracted to is called the "Garden of Eden Diet', and I'm hoping that some of you have had some experience and knowledge about it.
Thanks in advance for your response.

[bob_stra]

I've heard of it - based on the optimal diet as outlined in the Bible, yes?

IIRC I read abt it over at www.quackwatch.com Try having a look over there. I think the official stance is that it's no better or worse than any of the other diets out there.

Having said that, it has long been thought that a lower calorie diet (upto 25% lower than the current RDI) is beneficial for longevity. There was some research done in rats to this extent. I believe there was also a human trial done by the folks who went into Biosphere II.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help - hopefully the others know more abt it.

[Tony Esposito]

Hi Bob,
Thanks for the feed back, and there's certainly nothing to aplogize for. I'm going to look at the site you refferenced. Thanks again...

[glittalogik]

First off, Quackwatch is undergoing all sorts of legal fun, including a RICO racketeering suit (link (http://www.rense.com/general56/quak.htm)), and have been linked to several special-interest groups. Take their rants with more than a pinch of salt :wink:

http://www.cancertutor.com/ has some excellent information about cancer cure and prevention through diet. It's extremely critical of standard treatments (chemo et al.), so take it as you will, although I don't doubt for a minute that the western medical establishment is primarily concerned with sucking us all dry for fun and profit.

I'd also recommend taking a look at chlorella supplements, they've been shown to be remarkably effective at combatting cancer (link (http://www.mercola.com/chlorella/anti_cancer.htm)).

[Scotty D.]

My friend Marek Roland is an audiologist who has an article on cancer from a Bio-Physicist's point of view. It is an interesting read, as are his other articles, hearing related and otherwise. You can check them out at:
http://digital-recordings.com/ , in the 'Publications' section.

I am unfamiliar with The Garden of Eden Diet. I have lived with a lady who healed her cancerous uterus through nutrition (and had 3 kids afterwords), so no doubt there are benefits to be had from diets such as these. In The Warrior Diet though, Ori makes a good point in stating that many of these healing diets are designed for that purpose specifically, and would be hard fit to sustain someone in the long-term.

"In fact, the nutritional instinct is as capable of solving math problems as the intellect is of solving dietary problems"; Roman Devivo and Antje Spors in their book "Genefit Nutrition"... If we really want to find a long-term and personal dietary solution, we need to 'clean the slate' by choosing only quality, unprocessed foods, and let our senses of smell and taste decide what nourishment it is that we need.
http://genefitnutrition.com

[Tony Esposito]

Hi,
I really appreciate how you guys are getting on board to be helpful and sending all the good data. God knows there is plenty of info out there and sorting through it, removing the confusion in order the see the truth is the challenge. I've continued my research also and what's comming together is that eating as close to original diet as can be accomplished, ( raw, whole food without the chemicals, hormones and genetic alteration ) will provide healing, and energy for repair and growth. At the moment I'm favoring the designs esposed by Aajonas Vonderplanitz,(" We want to Live") and ( "The Recipe for Living Without Disease"). Basically he is a food hygenist that adds protien to the table in the form of raw milk, cream and cheese along with raw fertile eggs, raw meats and fish augmented with fresh green juices. I"m struggling with the practicallity of the diet, but I'd like to do it for 90- 120 days. What do you think?

[Russell Baillie]

Tony,

This is something i have become very interested in as of late.

look into books by a phillip day - (health wars in particular) they are published by a company called credence.

Also you might wish to further investigate " apricot kernals " I have began to supplement with these and also sprouts and shoots from a company called biosnacky.

I have trouble with my diet due to lack of discipline on my part but i am gradually introducing more and more of the types of foods i plan to eat for my lifetime.

Fresh fish - poultry - meat - vegetables - nuts/ seeds and sprouts with a little fruit.

Have fun!

Regards
Russell

[Scotty D.]

My accumulated notion of "We Want to Live" so far, without having read it, is that there are major benefits to be had, and that though the foods are natural, the eating habits are not. For example, smoothies made with papaya, coconut water, honey, cream, raw steak, and raw eggs. Though these foods are of great benefit to a body, particularly a healing one, there is little that is natural in creating such a recipe. My current perception is that nutritional mastery needs to come from our individual capacity to recognize dietary needs, disincluding intellectualizing about it. To follow someone's dietary plan is to have the belief that someone else knows your body better than it does.
My only experience with raw animal products has been in the last week or so (oysters, muscles, fish, and egg yolk so far). I decided to include them after having my previous views on parasites and pathogens debunked while reading the book "Genefit Nutrition". Already my experience has been that the same food (animal or plant) can be desirable or not on different days, determined through nutritional instinct, i.e. smell and taste. This sensitivity is very important when consuming raw animal products, as doing so to any excess has had serious implications for some peoples. If you're looking to inlcude animal products in your diet, I would highly suggest learning about doing so by following your body's sensory intelligence. My introduction to doing so was at http://www.genefitnutrition.com .

They also have some related posts on their message boards, in particular one on quality guidelines for raw animal products.
http://www.genefitnutrition.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9

[Tony Esposito]

Hi All,
I want you to know that I think it's wonderful that we're engaged in this conversation, and that I'm getting a lot out of it with the positive energy you guys are sending not being the least of it.
What you would think would be a simple, no brainner, "nourishing one's self", turns out to be an arena of controversy and confusion. Our "natural" diet has been blurred by the advent of agriculture and refinement, followed by the need for shelf life, followed by commerce an then the requirement for production, and onward, etc. Nourishment by intuition in todays world is difficult if not imposible. Even my cats have been seduced by dry grian feed and cooked flesh, not to mention pasta with a good meat gravey. Some where in the Taoist teachings it's said that man lost his relationship to his food when he started to eat for taste. So maybe some intellect is needed to find our way. The truth is, and we will know it when the obstacles that have been placed in it's way are removed. I'll continue to dig my way through happily and in good cheer. God Bless.

[Connie Brown]

I agree with you on all counts, Tony. It is nice to discuss different points of view without rancor.

My current thinking on "taste" is that refinement is what causes the problem. All the feel-good ingestibles start out as plants and then we humans figure out how to refine them to maximize the hit. This goes for heroin, cocaine, weed, oxy, and in the food side, white flour, refined sugars, and roux. Red meat, that is another story, but the cattle eat grass so maybe that is the refinement ha ha.

I am joking about the roux. I had a chef boyfriend and he said, he always cooked for "taste." Well all his best-tasting foods had what I call drug food. start with roux, add wine, add sugar, add butter, add dairy, add flavor enhancers - all super processed. He was great at flavor, though. My earnest and dreary steamed veggies were always much better when he was finished fixin em up.

[glittalogik]

Connie, you're right about the drug thing - think about it: refined sugar has zero nutritional value, it acts as a stimulant, it has mind- and mood-altering capabilities, it has a detrimental effect on one's health...what more do you need to define something as a 'drug'?

Ah, there's a rant of epic proportions bubbling here, I'd better stay on topic :wink:

[Dan Chomycia]

I remember one of my bad experiences with the drug called sugar, it was after I filmed the Catch-22 DVD and I thought I would just have one night of fun allowing my self to eat candy, chocolate, and soda. well I got a super crash that felt like I was drunk, and was up all night because my stomach felt like it was full of battery acid. The next morning I vomitted up the the every thing, and hour later I was fine. It kinda reminds me of the first time I ever experienced alcohol. Needless to say, I learned to love foods that are good for me, and much prefer to stay away from sugar in all forms.

[Tony Esposito]

Hi,
It seems that most all of us have identified sugar and other refined carbs as non foods to say the least. Where there appears to be a divergence is when protien, especially red meat, and fats are discussed. I've always believed in a high protien, high fat, and low carb diet, with extreme predgudice to refined carbs, and now I'm considering consumming my protien and fats in raw form. I guess this will be thought of as more of a power skid than a divergence, but here I go double clutching, down shifting and pedal to the metal. Kind a caveman with out matches.

[glittalogik]

Go for it, Caveman! :D And don't forget, "Rancid is just another flavour" :wink:

[Tony Esposito]

Hi,
A note to those who might be concerned with rancidity. Look for it in foods that are high in unsturated fats like whole grains, seeds and nuts, as well as seed and nut oils. These foods can become rancid in your body even though they were not when they were consumed. The above are not stable and subject to oxidation that produces free radicles and hence rancidity. On the other hand, saturated fats in thier raw state are quiet stable and not subject to becoming rancid.
Thanks again to all for being in the conversation.