Left Hip Starting to get me down.

[StuMcD]

Hi All,

I am currently suffering from an injury in my left sacro-illiac joint that is also very painful in my hamstrings. At times the chain of tension goes through my hamstring into my lateral calf muscle. I am hoping to get some advice as to what type of physical therapy might be best for me.

History

My lumbar section has always been somewhat of problem for me when bending forwards as a small section of it won't bend at all when I touch my toes. Going backwards or sideways, there is no such impediment and I am well capable of a full back bridge. I had been working on this using spinal rocks and felt as though I had made some good progress. I don't know if this problem has anything to do with my chronic problem but it is likely I suppose.

I don't know how my injury occurred specifically but I do know that about 3 months ago I felt a little pull in my left lateral hamstrings whilst doing swipes. Essentially, it felt like I "over hip snapped" to cause the problem. I rested for a week or so and the pain subsided a little so I resumed training through it. (stupid, I know but I am lucky enough to have never really been injured beyond a turned ankle before and I used to just play on with those.)

At this point there was no pain in my sacroilliac joint.

About 4 weeks ago after a light wrestling session the night before I woke up pretty much sobbing with pain in my lower back. I couldn't move at all to begin with and spent two days in bed flat on my back. (My New Year this year was not fun). After the two days I felt confident that movement was a good idea and I got up. For the next week and a half, every day was the same. I woke up with terrible pain in my upper leg, got up, hobbled out the front door and went for a walk. I found that by walking, I could move the tension from my leg where it was very painful to my back where I could deal with it. Since I first had this injury until about a week ago sitting for any period of time was almost impossible due to the pain in both back and leg.

I can now sit for extended periods of about half an hour (and can drive to work without a supreme effort of will) and the pain is really only bad in the mornings.

As for treatments, I initially had a quick physio treatment from a friend of the family, have been having massage therapy, chiropractic therapy and recently my doctor has prescribed anti-inflammatories.

Physio. I had a nice massage, and some "people powered traction". I was advised that the best thing to do was have some real traction. I went to a chiropractor instead as I figured skeletal re-alignment is their specialty and the clinic is close to me.

Massage therapy= great for pain management and my spinal mobility. It hurts like hell during but feels great afterwards and I'm no worse for the wear on the next morning.

Chiro. I don't know what to do about this. I have now had enough treatments to know that the pain gets worse in both hip and leg for about a day after every treatment. Every time I go there the Chiro says that my left side isn't moving properly and that my right side is taking up the slack and adjusts me. The next morning I wake up in agony. I don't know whether what she is doing is actually doing me harm.

My X rays show no bone damage although I do apparently have a twisted and tiled pelvis which is either the cause of the problem or a symptom. (not sure)

Anti-inflammatories. These things are great. They made a difference to my comfort levels after only two days and are the reason I am now able to sit and type this in one go. When I was prescribed these I was told to cease all exercise except gentle walking for 10 days. I am up to day 5 and was feeling better until Tuesday's Chiro session.

Does anyone have any advice for me? Should I stop Chiro? Should I just suck it up and trust that Chiro is causing short term pain for long term benefit? Should I still do warrior wellness?

Every type of therapist has a different opinion and I don't know who to trust except the coaches here whose advice hasn't steered me wrong yet.

I tried to cover everything I could in this post, I hope it is enough information. Thanks in advance tribe and sorry to be a bother,
Stu.

[Scott Sonnon]

Stu,

I feel for you, amigo. The psoas and piriformis have a strange and powerful relationship. I'd suggest you have an ART practitioner check them out.

I'd also have your chiro take a look at a potential herniated disk and resulting S1 nerve impingement, just to be safe.

Have you had any right shoulder issues? I assume you're right handed.

Continue your Warrior Wellness so long as the local myofascia is not too inflammed as to cause significant pain (RPD of 5 or higher.)

[StuMcD]

I feel for you, amigo. The psoas and piriformis have a strange and powerful relationship. I'd suggest you have an ART practitioner check them out.

Thanks for the advice Coach. They are strange alright and feel really strange when I do the hamstring stretches the Chiro recommends.

I googled ART Practitioner and came up empty. What is an ART practitioner? Maybe we don't have these in Australia?


I'd also have your chiro take a look at a potential herniated disk and resulting S1 nerve impingement, just to be safe.

Im pretty sure that this is one of the things she said it definitely wasn't but I'll check. My back doesn't hurt at all, only my left hip, hammy and calf.

I've had no right shoulder issues at all in fact since moving to level 2 of Warrior Wellness my shoulders and traps feel great.

I will keep going with Warrior Wellness. At least I get to do **something**.

Body Flow is an impossibility as is subwrestling. :cry:

Still, I am trying to look at this as an opportunity to explore something else rather than as just not being able to wrestle.

I plan to get started on blade biomechanics this afternoon. I've been playing with the free bayonet dexterity drills and am going pretty well with them apart from the ones where I have to let the blade flip through my fingers and the throw and catch which I haven't tried yet. I think your training knives are quite a bit flatter than the ones I am using which has to make things easier when trying to fit the handle between the fingers.

I'm pretty sure I can practice moving into, through and with fighting postures, and can perform basic thrusts and parries in softwork mode without fear of injury. Should be something fun to take my mind off my injury.

I know this is a little off topic but I'm not the only one who has commented on the fact that the knife drills at the start of the free bayonet tape are like Warrior Wellness with a weapon.

Cheers and thanks again,
Stu.

[Coach Billew]

Stu,

I am guessing that coach means Active Release Technique.

I found a website at http://www.activerelease.com/

They have a provider locater, and appear to have people in Australia.

[ninjaboy]

You also might try a different chiropractor. You should never come out of there feeling worse than when you went in. I have been with three different chiropractors. And my current choice chooses to use the palm, hammer and drop table as her weapons of choice. This makes the adjustments less tramatic, most of the time you don't even notice them move.

If at any time you don't feel releif in an adjustment tell them. The fear reactivity of the muscles trying to protect the structural alignment causes the muscles to act like tight rubber bands, and some times the bone only shifts half way into alignment.

Find a shiatsu practioner. They will help you break up the residual tension and bracing, then immediately after go to get adjusted before the muscles have a chance to tighten up.

Do some gentle (and I mean gentle) stretching. Remember the skeleton provides structure for the body and protect the nerves. The purpose of muscle is to move the structure and to hold it together. When trama occurs the muscles feel the threat and start locking down structure by bracing and building tension chains. So the streaching helps to relive some of that.

Also hsve them use ultrasound at the chiro. That helps break up scar tissue.

And finaly and most important. Change your mind. Don't look at this as a hindrence. Look at it as an opportunity to learn a lot about your body. Remember your focus determines your reality. You can't not think about a purple elephant while trying not to think about it. Pain works the same way.
:lol:

[StuMcD]

Hi All,

Thanks for the heads-up Slade.

Ninja, I don't come out of the Chiro feeling worse, it hits me the next morning after sleeping. My Chiro uses her palm and the drop table as her tools to adjust and it really doesn't feel that bad at the time.

I am currently having regular massages and these seem to be the best way to relieve the pain. To be honest though, I got a friend of mine to take to my sore leg with his elbow for 20 minutes or so last night and it gave me more relief than all of the therapy I have had put together.

I have been prescribed some static stretching but it hurts alot to do it even gently and tends to increase the tension rather than decrease it.

My chiro mentioned the ultrasound last session saying that if things don't get better soon that she would start using it.

I am trying not to think about using this as a hinderance. Being able to do some light training in the bayonet last night help cure me of "training withdrawals" and I live in hope that my twisted pelvis is what is stopping me from sitting really low and comfortably in a flat foot squat.
Thanks again chaps,
Stu.

[ninjaboy]

Something else to try. Soak in a hot bath with epsom salt and applecider vineager. That will also help to pull the toxins out of the muscles. Warning you might have to take a shower afterwords because of the slimey feeling. But you'll feel a lot better.

ninja

[Jarlo Ilano]

Stu,

Sorry about your pain. It will get better.

You have alot of suggestions here, which is what you wanted I'm sure. And the advice can be very helpful.

But....

May I offer one suggestion. Internet advice, no matter how well intentioned, and even provided by professionals (or experienced laymen) often sucks. :lol:

We aren't the ones right there, applying our advice in real-time and seeing how you react to it. We aren't the ones who have examined you and have determined a course of action.

Given that, may I suggest that you voice your concerns directly to your chiropractor, since you are receiving treatment directly from her. Ask her the timeframe in which she expects your condition to resolve, determine if that seems reasonable to you, and apply all her suggestions for your self care.

If this does not seem reasonable, either apply your own self care for your own determined period of time and see how it goes, or head on out to another practictioner. And give them a reasonable period of time as well.

All of this advice given here can work great, but too many cooks can spoil the broth right? And specific techniques given over the internet without personal physical examination, are most likely not going to be as good as the one there treating you.

Now.... to not take my own admonitions, here's some internet advice! :lol:

1. It seems like your friend massaging your leg has found something. Explore it. Keep that up along with the antiinflammatories and drop chiro for at least a week. See how you feel.

2. Ultrasound does not "break down scar tissue".

3. Dynamic pain free ROM like Warrior Wellness is better than stretching.

4. Try and see how some deep pressure around your greater trochanter, if there are some tender spots, Go for it!

Good luck Stu, its terrible not to be able to train.

[StuMcD]

Hi Jarlo,

Thanks. I know internet advice isn't all that great of an idea. My main reasons for asking were to find out whether Chiro is supposed to hurt and also what else is out there. I will talk to my Chiro as you suggest.



Ultrasound does not "break down scar tissue".


So what does it do?



Dynamic pain free ROM like Warrior Wellness™ is better than stretching.


So the standing on one foot leg circles (second last exercise from warrior wellness intermediate) would be a good choice to work on.

Thanks Jarlo,
Stu.

[Jarlo Ilano]

Ultrasound does not "break down scar tissue".

So what does it do?



In my professional opinion... not much of anything. Seriously.

There are quite a number of studies that report ultrasound does not do what it is theorized to do.

The frequencies and intensities of the soundwaves in therapeutic ultrasound are theorized to provide increased heating of the tissues it is applied to. Recent studies in Physical Therapy journals appear to show that this heating affect is not substantial or long-lived enough to elicit the desired affect.

Other mechanisms called "microcavitation" and "microstreaming" are the effects of the vibrational energy of soundwaves and are theorized to increase healing time in injured tissues. This is debatable as well.

There have been studies which have shown that the application of ice followed by ultrasound on inflamed bursa have been affected. Interestingly, if the order is reversed (ultrasound then icing), the effects were not as beneficial.

I have used ultrasound in the past as a delivery system for anti-inflammatory medication. Its called phonophoresis. In my anecdotal experience it seems to have had benefit. I have also used ultrasound heating while a particular tissue is on stretch, in order to elicit a greater plasticity in the contracture. I'm not sure if it made a difference.

My friend swears by using it prior to soft tissue techniques for decreasing the pain prior to his hands on treatment. And many patients like it as well.

Placebo effect? Maybe. But I don't fault them for it. Placebos may be placebos, but they do make you feel better. And if it helps you along to recovery, then I'm all for it.

An old boss and friend of mine said "I'd wear a turd necklace if I thought it would make my patients get better". :lol: :lol: I usually say "I'd dance around the fire naked" (Cuz I'd like doing that anyway... :lol: :wink: )


Sorry to hijack the thread, and I don't mean that you should disregard all advice except your health care professional's. I'm sure you are intelligent enough to make the best choices for yourself.

I hope you get better soon.

[Randell Waddell]

Other mechanisms called "microcavitation" and "microstreaming" are the effects of the vibrational energy of soundwaves and are theorized to increase healing time in injured tissues.
:?: :?: :?:
( My emphases added.)

I don't understand why one would normally want to do this ? Would you mind highlighting, in some detail, those conditions that you would treat with the extended healing time, and could you share your logic why. (Sorry - my request is probably an article in its own right.)


Cheers
Randell. :D

[Jarlo Ilano]

Coach Waddell,

Sorry my typo, i meant increase healing response...

:oops:

[Randell Waddell]

Thank goodness - you had me concerned - I've had my First Aid Certificates etc for some thirty years, and it seems that every couple of years, the experts change their minds about treating things (just check out the changes in things like snake bite over the years) - I thought they must have found something new again, that I had to come up to speed on.

It can be very hard to keep current with everything - thank goodness for the forum, and the input from people such as yourself.

Cheers
Randell. :D :D :D

[mshelb]

My two cents don’t contradict anything posted by the medical professional here so I feel I can share my experience.

I’ve been dealing with a sacro-illiac injury for 5 years. It was misdiagnosed for the first 4 years as a hamstring tear. The most aggravating thing I did for my hip was static stretching and yoga. It ruined me. You have overstretched, inflamed ligaments in your SI joint. Stretching pulls on them and exacerbates the problem, which is why the surrounding muscles tighten up, hamstrings being the most obvious of those affected. My original injury wasn’t all that bad but I was told to stretch out my hips and hamstrings to correct the problem. It only increased the tension, and this dysfunction of the joint caused the injury to grow over time to the surrounding structures. This led to a herniated/degenerated disc after a few years, and you really want to stay away from that. Even gentle stretching was a bad idea for me. WW was a godsend. I could go on forever about this - I tried just about everything trying to fix it.

My biggest turning point (outside of CST/RMAX) was finding a good Physical Medicine/Rehabilitation doctor (who advised me to stop stretching that joint). Have a good PT or doctor show you how to determine when your pelvis (illium) is out of position and a gentle method of putting it back in place – that was also critical for me in healing. Mobility exercises have helped the most for undoing 4 years of dysfunction, and just simple long walks have made it feel the best of anything I’ve tried.

I’ve stayed away from chiropractors after one advised me that manipulations were a bad idea for inflamed ligaments and that I needed to take the time to heal. I wish I had a good massage therapist.

And I feel I should add that the “twisted pelvis” of an SI injury is a serious source of pain/disruption. It wasn’t keep-you-awake-at-night type pain for me, but I couldn’t think about running, not even if a bus was bearing down on me in the street.

If you’re looking for ideas on how to make it better, consider prolotherapy if it is available down there. It has it’s detractors/doubters but I’m not one of them. I was in really bad shape a short while ago.

I wish you the best of luck and hope this was of some value to you.

[StuMcD]

Hi Mike,

Thanks for your advice.

Like you, I find that long walks are my best pain management tool. We have a treadmill here at work so I can do 10 mins or so in the morning 25 at lunch and 25 after work.

My pain isn't exactly going to keep me up at night either but it certainly is making getting to sleep a little harder.

I have already stopped my static stretching as my body tells me it is a bad idea. My doctor has offered me an injection of anti-inflammatory drugs. Living in pain for a month and a bit has pretty much decided me on taking it.
Thanks for your help,
Stu.

[mshelb]

Stu –
I’m pleased to hear you’ve decided not to stretch – if I could save just one person the troubles of that path… :x

No seriously, I cringe at the thought of calling my words advice – consider it a woeful story and decide if any of it applies to you. Keep looking and learning brother, and you’ll bounce back before I do.

And let me know if you have any questions – I have enough to fill a book with what I learned from my experience. Maybe there’s something in there that would help you.

Best wishes for a full recovery.

[Matt_OZ]

Hi Stu, if you want to check out more on the mobility over stretching idea then have a look at this article in CST Mag http://www.circularstrengthmag.com/28/mattjones.html

I too found walking to be very helpful. I also got a great benefit from a product called Traumeel S by Heel. I use both the topical cream (it's amazing and the tablets (also amazing). They are homeopathic style prodcuts but don't let that put you off. They help reduce inflammation while still encouraging the healing process.

Obviously internet advice is very limited but I truly hope you are back to 100% very soon. Back care is one of the main focuses in my place and having seen many, many back injuries I can assure you that you never know just when a really positive change is just around the corner.

Stay well mate,
Matt :D

[Jarlo Ilano]

My two cents don’t contradict anything posted by the medical professional here so I feel I can share my experience.


I did not mean to imply that my opinions trump anyone else's. I apologize.

Everyone should share their experience most definitely. I just feel that if there are statements made as facts, that I should offer whatever scientific opinion I can provide.

Personal experience definitely supersedes alot of theoretical conjecture.

[mshelb]

Jarlo,
Maybe that was a poor choice of words on my part.

I appreciate the value you've attributed to my experience, but I value your professional opinion and knowledge more. You're part of what sets this forum apart from the rest. Your participation gives the discussion a higher level of credibility - not infallible, I know, but better.

[StuMcD]

Hi All,

I have taken a week off Chiro and things have definitely changed. I can't decide whether they have changed for the better or not.

I am still in quite alot of pain with the new development being that my calf keeps threatening to cramp far more often than it used to.

I used to be sore from sitting too long and get a huge muscle spasm upon standing in the area just next to my tail bone on the sore side of my body. This twinge is no longer present.

I used to relieve this pain by standing up and moving around. Going for a walk is still a nice break from the pain but standing alone now seems to make me sorer and sitting relieves the pain for a while until tension starts to creep in and I have to either stand back up again or lay down.

The worst pain is still in my hamstring and calf areas rather than around the site of the injury although the pain now seems to be more evenly spread between the back, leg and calf since stopping chiropractic.

Thought those that gave their advice might like to know what is going on. I plan to go to Chiro tonight but will not be letting her use the drop table at all. I'll just take the soft tissue work I think.
Cheers,
Stu.

[Jarlo Ilano]

Stu,

Change is always good. It can reveal where to go next and provide insights for everyone.

I hope it all resolves sooner than later. Are you still to receive the anti-inflammatory shots?


Mike,

I don't think those were poor words at all. I would hate to stifle any discussion in this forum in any way.

Everyone should feel free to discuss their experiences. It helps everyone.

The only time I would feel the need to offer a contrary opinion is when stated opinions take the form of statements of medical fact. It is then that I think my experience and training would help to offer a different view.

[StuMcD]

Stu,

Change is always good. It can reveal where to go next and provide insights for everyone.


I thought as much.



I hope it all resolves sooner than later. Are you still to receive the anti-inflammatory shots?


Thanks. If I do have an injection, it won't be until the weekend or early next week. I am still conflicted as to whether or not I should do it. If I am still in this much pain by the weekend then I shall consider my decision made.
Cheers,
Stu.

[KEVIN TEAGLE]

I must echo Coach Sonnons suggestion, Radiographs, (X-rays) only show relationships of bone, Make sure your practitioner has followed soft tissue evaluation of a possible disc involvement or nerve entrapment. Also as a chiropractor myself I must caution chriopractors who overmanipulate. Manipulation is great when the problem is restriction. A hammer is great for a nail, not to good for a screw. Always seek other opinions, ART (active release technique) is powerful as long as the practitioner is sensitive to the patient. This is only an opinion as I am not able to exam you myself. Good luck with this.

Humbly,

Dr. Kevin Teagle

[StuMcD]

I must echo Coach Sonnons suggestion, Radiographs, (X-rays) only show relationships of bone, Make sure your practitioner has followed soft tissue evaluation of a possible disc involvement or nerve entrapment. Also as a chiropractor myself I must caution chriopractors who overmanipulate. Manipulation is great when the problem is restriction. A hammer is great for a nail, not to good for a screw. Always seek other opinions, ART (active release technique) is powerful as long as the practitioner is sensitive to the patient. This is only an opinion as I am not able to exam you myself. Good luck with this.
Humbly,
Dr. Kevin Teagle

Hi All,

I went to the chiro tonight and right now I feel fantastic. I asked again about discs and nerves and was assured that these were not to blame.

Something that was found though now that the general pain and stiffness has gone away is that I may very well have a bursitis (sp?) problem below my left hip. The chiro disn't do an adjustment tonight and isn't going to until the problem is cleared up. She spent a good solid 5 minutes just massaging the painful area and the tension just melted away. I have been advised to have someone massage this area for 5 minutes every three hours or so where possible to break up the problem.

Thanks again everyone, I now believe I am on the road to recovery. If I hadn't gone in confident in asking about a possible misdiagnosis then this new (old) problem would never have been located.
Cheers,
Stu.

Not in pain for the first time in 6 weeks or so......

[Jarlo Ilano]

Wonderful!

[KEVIN TEAGLE]

Awesome

Kevin

[Scott Sonnon]

Stu, congratulations on your path of recovery!

Kevin, I must say that it's really fantastic to have you contributing here. You're a precious gem in the health care profession!

[mshelb]

Thats great news, Stu - glad to hear it.

[KEVIN TEAGLE]

Precious Gem, I like that, I am used to being called dirt which is somewhat less refined. Good health to all

[Coach Gostnell]

Kevin, Just wait until Thursday when I tell the class what Scott called you! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Got you now, buddy!

(seriously, I, too, think you are a gem! And I know I'm not the only one.)

[StuMcD]

Hi Guys,

I just thought I'd post a little update.

My Chiropractor brought in a colleague last night for a fresh look at what is going on and it turns out that my intuition was smack on.

Treating the twisted pelvis first definitely isn't the way to go.

Stretching the injured limb was likely making things worse.

It turns out that my leg isn't quite seated properly in the hip socket all the time. This explains why sitting is so much more painful than standing along with a whole bunch of other symptoms that now make sense. The exercise this new chappie suggested that I do targeted the sore area directly.

I was really starting to get worried about this and now feel so much better. Thanks for all of your help and encouragement people.
Cheers,
Stu.

[Matt_OZ]

Glad to hear of the improved outlook mate, good luck with it all. By the way, is that you in the technique pics with Raymond Floro in Blitz a few issues back?

Matt :D

[StuMcD]

Glad to hear of the improved outlook mate, good luck with it all. By the way, is that you in the technique pics with Raymond Floro in Blitz a few issues back?

Matt :D

Thanks Matt. Yes it was me. :)

[StuMcD]

Hi All,

Update to the update. Two months or so ago, I stopped having Chiropractic and my condition got alot better very quickly just by resting my back and leg as much as possible.

Unfortunately, reaching into a supermarket trolley three weeks ago lead to a relapse and two solid weeks lying down in terrible pain.

This time I decided to go with a physiotherpist instead of a chiro. The physio examined me and tested the reflexes in my leg and gave me what was some pretty shocking news. After a couple of months of Chiropractic on an injury that I was told couldn't possibly be an S1 nerve impingement, my Physio came up with just this diagnosis in a few minutes.

Things are now getting better but getting better so.....slowly..... I am going nuts from not being able to train properly for a period going on 4 months now.

My worst symptom right now is mild depression because this condition seems to me to be looking to be very much permanent. :(

Right now I still do warrior wellness for my limbs and neck but not for my lower back or hips. The Physio has got me using the cobra pose to try and release the impingement along with a static stretch for my glutes.
Not having much fun,
Stu.

[JasonE]

Stu -

Sorry to hear about the relapse. :( The two steps back out of every 3 forward sucks when it happens. The good part is that you have new information and a plan to work with.

My own back twinged a little the other day, the site of old problems that I haven't had to get treatment for in almost 18 months. In working to release it, I found that the standard Cobra pose wasn't too comfy. To work into the Cobra, I came up with a couple of variations you may find useful:

Rattlesnake: belly down, upper body propped up on elbows, shoulders in packed position. Rock heels side to side, letting legs rotate. Speed up until your whole body is vibrating. Occasionally stop and screw arms to lift upper body for slow 5-count. Repeat.

Striking Cobra: belly down, hands a little forward of shoulders and slightly wider, shoulders packed with elbows bent. Screw arms to raise upper body. At point of slight back discomfort, let body shift to side and drop down, then circle through to other side and up into Cobra. Continue circling movement so that you are going through Cobra in circular fashion. Allow yourself to move hands in and go slightly higher as tension releases. Go in both directions, switching from Cobra position.

If you can do a basic shoulder bridge without too much pain, there are some modified ways to do Warrior Wellness for your back and hips. Keep posting your progress and I'll post some thoughts for you.

[Scott Sonnon]

Article, Jason. :wink:

[StuMcD]

Thanks Jason,

I have given these a quick go. First I did a 10 second cobra at the "edge of comfort". Then I did the rattlesnake for 20 seconds or so. It took me that long to learn to coordinate the movement properly. :oops:

After that I tried the cobra again and was able to reach the range of motion from the first exercise without feeling any tension at all. The "rattlesnake" is here to stay.

The "Striking Cobra" is a nice flow movement that puts a back arch into three dimensions. By playing with the shape of the elipse I was making with my upper body, I could get radically different effects.

These exercises are quite alot of fun the their sophistication make doing rehab alot more fun. I agree with Scott that alot of people would benefit from an article on your recovery.

Great stuff.
Cheers,
Stu.

[JasonE]

I'll be writing an article soon. I'm glad to hear they've helped already! Check my recent program blog entries for some notes on little refinements I've been finding.

[JasonE]

Sat down and that article practically poured out of my hands. :D

Snaking Your Way to a Better Back (http://circularstrengthmag.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=41870#41870)

Please post your thoughts on that thread. Thanks!

[Steve Hindman]

Hi

I followed the SI joint thread to your article, Snaking Your Way to a Better Back, but the link did not work. Is there another place I might find it?

Steve Hindman

[loadkeeg]

I would like to read this article as well.

[stevenhogg]

I think this is what you're looking for:

http://www.rmaxinternational.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5982&highlight=snaking

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[Coach Bentz]

This is an old article, and would be in the archives. You need to be a member of the Core Cadre to casually view those.

If you have a specific question you're looking to address, or a goal you're trying to meet, please feel free to post it in a new thread.

[mYTHmAKER]

Stu
You might try Network Spinal Analysis. It is very gentle and non invasive.
The practitioners are chiropractors but there is no manipulation.
Helped my wife with a herniated neck disc and helps keep me balanced and in condition.

http://www.donaldepstein.com/nsa/network.shtmlhttp://

www.associationfornetworkcare.com/ancmemberlist/

[lightbird]

Hi Stu

i am a newbie here, but i know those not fun pains..

One of the "flows" i learned in Jin Shin Jyutsu class (it's like acupuncture, but without needles, just use your hands to reharmonize the flow in your body) takes care of this for me when i have rough days ~ do this in bed before you even get up:

Put right hand on left side of neck and at same time put left hand on coccyx.. lie there and breathe.. after a while you will feel the 'pulses' in your hands shifting and harmonizing and body relaxing..

You can do 3 more steps if you like - all the while keeping right hand on left side of neck, 2. hold left hand in the center back of left knee (relax there, breathe awhile, until you feel like going to the next step) 3. hold left hand at outer edge of left foot just below ankle bone (right hand still on left side of neck) 4. left hand holds left little toe.

For me first step will get me out of bed in the mornings.

Another favourite of mine (often done in car in parking lot before i walk into work, or elsewhere) - place fingers on backs of your knees (hang out here and breathe..) - you can do the 'reverse' by crossing hands and holding backs of the opposite knees.

Also, for your whole energy field reharmonizing (esp when i have had heavy duty body work done or can't shut my mind off, can't sleep, can't relax etc etc) hold your fingers - hold your thumb (wrap other hand around it and just breathe, relax..) after you feel like shifting, then hold your index finger.. and middle, etc.. just take time out and hold your fingers and you will feel your energy shift and relax.. do fingers on other hand.. Sometimes i will count out 20 breaths or so on each finger if i have a short time period.
You can do this with your toes too.
ciao!

helen alksnys/lightbird :)