Question about "Body Flow"

[Jim Haines]

Is this a recommended book for someone completely new to Coach Sonnon's work? Seems so, but I haven't been able to find a Table of Contents...

This question is strictly out of curiosity: In general, what's the recommended first book? "Warrior Wellness" or "Body Flow"?

Thanks in advance!

JIM

[Scott Sonnon]

What are your goals, Jim?

[Jim Haines]

What are your goals, Jim?

Goals in timeline for the next 12-14 months:

-To pull at least a 405# Deadlift, raw, and within two weeks. (Long story can be found on Dragondoor from a post that I made Sunday.)

-To compete in my first GS meet, which should be Chicago, January 24, 2004.

-To drop down to a BW of 205#, (currently 228#, with a plus/minus 5# fluctuation)--height is 6'1". As a young, U.S. Marine, I was 202# strong, and lean....

-To do the 'newbie' Sheyko (sp?) PL plan for 8 weeks.

-To reattend the RKC in April, 2004.

-To compete in the VA GS Nationals in May, 2004

-To cycle up to at least a 475# raw deadlift by end of Summer, 2004.

-To compete in at least one PL meet, raw, in 2004 (local meets and just to get my feet wet).

(It's likely that the RKC or VA Nationals will be one or the other due to financial and time constraints.)

I'm 36 years old, thanks to Pavel and "The Party" I found the direction to be an ex-fatguy and 'born again' tough guy. I'm also smart enough to know that all of the answers aren't in one place. Pavel, Maxwell, and others that I've personally met speak very highly of you, and that's more than good enough for me to explore this site and to learn more. Otherwise, I stay at Dragondoor where I know that I can and do get great advice from highly credible sources.

Anyway, I want to purchase one of your books to learn more, but to be honest, I can't dig through the marketing to get the answers that I'm looking for (i.e. table of contents, ect). This is not intended to be disrespectful, just my observation.

Let me know what you suggest and I'll order forthwith.

Kind regards,

Jim Haines

[Scott Sonnon]

Jim, you sound like you have your plate very full. It may not be a good time for you to begin exploring Body-Flow.

However, a daily session of Warrior Wellness, as well as selected exercises to defray localized residual tension before, between sets and/or after work sessions may eliminate/prevent muscle soreness, increase your joint health, and decrease your recovery time and as a result may increase your performance in your lifts.

[Jim Haines]

[quote="Coach Sonnon"]Jim, you sound like you have your plate very full. It may not be a good time for you to begin exploring Body-Flow™.

Thanks Coach,

But your remarks make me want to order "Body Flow" first...LOL!

I'll order your recommended title first though.

Thanks again.

JIM

[Lee]

Jim, Body-Flow can be pretty radical, and it takes some time to properly explore. It may have the power to re-define the way you set goals, so I would go into it with out too much on your plate. It also may not be exactly what you are looking for from a power lifting perspective, but it DEFINATELY will help you reclaim the "young, strong, and lean" feeling you seek.

The cool thing with Coach's products is that you can pick them up at any point and incorporate the different methodoligies and concepts as they become relavant to you. It may seem a bit confusing at first because all sorts of things are aimed at helping people reach tons of different goals. Also there is a lot of new terminolgy because there are concepts that aren't often seen else where.

I would personally recommend reading, and re-reading the Musings postings, and hang out here and read what other people are saying.

Good luck reaching your goals, and I hope you have fun with it!

[Jim Haines]

Insights are appreciated! I do not consider myself a Powerlifter. I have not done a BB Bench Press or a BB Back Squat in 15 years! However, seeing some of the PL posts on DD have made me very interested in the sport. However, I haven't even been to a meet yet. The sport as I understand it, appeals to me because not only does it take a massive dose of courage, but it takes lots of brains, planning, and discipline in general. Also, it could be just dumb luck, but it seems that the most intelligent and without question, the most helpful folks I've interacted with on DD are either PL types or those who are attempting to be PL's. JMO.

I didn't see any book options for Warrior Wellness, and my understanding is that it's a somewhat more complex version of "Super Joints", so I might just order "Body Flow" after all.

Thanks again!

JIM

[Scott Sonnon]

Jim,
Consider your training emphasis right now, I'll say it again - from your posts, it reads that Warrior Wellness (available only on videotape) meets your current goals, rather than diving into the deep end of the pool with Body-Flow. I referred you to Warrior Wellness BECAUSE of how much training you're juggling. However, if you're set with Super Joints and don't see the need to go any deeper than that resource, then I'm not comfortable referring you to another resource considering how much is on your plate. Better to wait until you clear out your current training goals. Of course, the decision is yours. I only comply to your request for direction.

[Jim Haines]

Hello again, Coach.

I'm not doing a good job as a custumer. I want an intro book into your views.

Actually, please don't trouble yourself with a reply. I'll order the BF book tomorrow morning. (I tried earlier, but got some weird passcode stuff....)

Thanks again, Sir!

JIM

[Scott Sonnon]

If that's the case, then considering your interests in the strength game, you ought to go with Clubbell Training For Circular Strength.

Jim,

Your goals are sort of like mine, if you read OCS for PL- I'm finding body flow doesn't really fit in to that frame work so well. Not that it wouldn't be great - but there's that pesky work and life thing.

If "lifting" takes priority, whether that's PL, GS,OCS, then warrior wellness is more or less mandatory. I might add, particularly for a PL guy putting tremendous stress on the lower back, that the be breathed tape would be well worth the investment.

Since I added be breathed to the WW my back is very happy, despite CB or KBing 5-6 days a week.

Bill

[Jim Haines]

Jim,

Your goals are sort of like mine, if you read OCS for PL- I'm finding Body-Flow doesn't really fit in to that frame work so well. Not that it wouldn't be great - but there's that pesky work and life thing.

If "lifting" takes priority, whether that's PL, GS,OCS, then Warrior Wellness is more or less mandatory. I might add, particularly for a PL guy putting tremendous stress on the lower back, that the Be Breathed tape would be well worth the investment.

Since I added Be Breathed to the Warrior Wellness my back is very happy, despite Clubbell or KBing 5-6 days a week.

Bill

I'm having some problems ordering though. Gotta run right now, but I'll try again later.

Thanks!

JIM

[Scott Sonnon]

Jim,
If you're having any ordering problems, please contact Nikolay Travkin at RMAX.tv Productions (info@RMAX.tv and/or 770-956-9765). There's no better customer service in the biz!

[JamesLinn]

I didn't see any book options for Warrior Wellness™, and my understanding is that it's a somewhat more complex version of "Super Joints", so I might just order "Body-Flow™" after all.
JIM

Hi Jim,
I have almost all of Pavel's stuff, and I did "Superjoints" for about six months. It's a good program, however Warrior wellness does things that
"Superjoints" doesn't.

I have several pains [serious back pain and bracing in my lumbar region,
shoulder pain that ached whenever I slept, elbow tendon pain that also clicked and popped and "twanged"] that doing "Superjoints" for six months
has done nothing for.

I started Warrior wellness two weeks ago and all these pains are recovering.I think the reason is joint decompression. Warrior wellness takes the body as a whole unit and systematically recovers range of motion, while helping to decompress the joint and feed them nutrition.

Warrior wellness also works on functional balance and strength.
I'm beginning to feel that joint strength is actually more important than muscular strength.

I have no connection with Coach Sonnon or RMAX. This is just my opinion.
Sincerly,
James Linn
ps
Coach Sonnon is really funny too, so you'll be laughing while you recovering :lol:

[Doug Szolek]

I'm beginning to feel that joint strength is actually more important than muscular strength.

:) BIG SMILE :) ...

[Jim Haines]

I have no connection with Coach Sonnon or RMAX.tv. This is just my opinion.
Sincerly,
James Linn
ps
Coach Sonnon is really funny too, so you'll be laughing while you recovering :lol:

Thanks James, I was already sold. Don't doubt the coach, BTW & FWIW.

Glad to hear of your recovery!

JIM

[JamesLinn]

I'm beginning to feel that joint strength is actually more important than muscular strength.

:) BIG SMILE :) ...

Hi Coach,
Is that an "I agree" Big smile or a "Silly human" Big smile?

What are your views on joint strength versus muscular strength?

For me, it seems being strong with weaker joints is just injury looking to happen. It's weird, all my injuries were kind of "forgotten" about.
I was in pain all the time, but I was trying to deny it. When I stared doing Warrior Wellness, the release was beyond words.

BTW, I think I am going through a healing crisis. I started getting flu-like symptoms all through my body. Could recovery of ROM do that?
Sincerly,
James Linn

[Scott Sonnon]

James, I feel safe saying that Doug agrees with you. You're as old as your connective tissue.
I think I am going through a healing crisis. I started getting flu-like symptoms all through my body. Could recovery of ROM do that? Yes. Read Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma by Levine.

[Doug Szolek]

I'm beginning to feel that joint strength is actually more important than muscular strength.

:) BIG SMILE :) ...

Hi Coach,
Is that an "I agree" Big smile or a "Silly human" Big smile?

I guess the fact that this question arises means I haven't been doing an adequate job of explaining what I'm about. In any case, I do agree with you. The smiles were brought about from the joy of seeing someone who I haven't met really come to understand the importance of joint health. Doing my little mini celebratory tribal over here :lol:

However, now that the subject comes up, I'm led to believe that the two should have never been split. It almost goes without saying that muscular strength in the absence of joint strength is meaningless. But how many out there cultivating the strength of their joints see the value of muscular strength as well. Might make for an interesting thread...

[JamesLinn]

I think I am going through a healing crisis. I started getting flu-like symptoms all through my body. Could recovery of ROM do that? Yes. Read Waking the Tiger: Healing Trauma by Levine.

Thanks for the reference Coach. Postage prices being what they are,
I'll probably designate my funds for more of your material [Certainly can't go wrong there]
Sincerly,
James Linn

[JamesLinn]

I guess the fact that this question arises means I haven't been doing an adequate job of explaining what I'm about.


Not at all Coach Szolek! I'm sure the misunderstanding was on my part.
Just my fear reactivity kicking in again :oops:


In any case, I do agree with you. The smiles were brought about from the joy of seeing someone who I haven't met really come to understand the importance of joint health. Doing my little mini celebratory tribal over here :lol:

It's such a total turn around for me to feel like that. I have weight trained for over 20 years [mostly for Potemkin villages as Pavel so aptly puts it]
I only wanted to do things that would make me HUGE. Actually, I could have gotten a lot bigger with a good joint program years ago.

Warrior Wellness seems to be helping my overall muscularity. It's strange, I weigh the same, but I look different. It also seems that my "tie in" areas are getting more developed. I don't even have to mention that moving around is "springy" instead of "mushy" [ you can tell I teach kindergarten]

However, now that the subject comes up, I'm led to believe that the two should have never been split.
Yes, I agree. Seems so apparent now. I suppose my neck was cutting off the supply of blood to my brain :wink:

Thanks for the reply,
James Linn