NHE diet adoption and progress...

[poidog]

Hey Bill -

I've just started the NHE diet and will try to post at least once a week. I recieved the book around 2-3 weeks ago but with work and other commitments didn't finish reading it until last week. I didn't officially start until this past Monday, what with Halloween and a large party weekend. :oops: D'OH!! Any way, I'm currently in the "metabolic shift" period, going from sugar-burner to fatty-chunky burner. So I'm at <20g carbs per day until next Monday. I'm in the middle of the sluggish, fatigued, desperately craving a "super-sized bucket-o-sugar" period. Hopefully will be coming out of this soon. A typical day of eating is 2 chicken thighs with skins and an espresso for breakfast; 2 hamburger patties, some 0 carb cheese and a small salad with full fat ranch dressing for lunch; and some slices of roast beef or turkey deli meet rolled up with a mayo filling. I try to drink about 96 oz. of water a day. I have an espresso with breakfast, a caffeine free Diet Coke (a.k.a. "super-unleaded") with lunch and Crystal light with dinner, but the rest of the time it's water. Right now I'm not too worried about counting calories, but will begin to pay attention to them about 3 weeks from now. Faigin suggests the "6x a day" smaller meal eating routine, but my daily schedule is unpredictable as to when I can chow so the 3x a day is just more realistic...I'm in sales so I'm just as likely to be on a call or on the road as to be in the office where I can eat.

A refresher on my goals: I'm 5'10", ~230 lbs., am looking to drop 40-50 lbs. of belly jelly for DB stickfighting/general self-defense. Currently doing KB's in the morning for cardio/weight loss and fight/train MMA 3x/week and Kali/DB stickfighting 3x/week. Would be willing to temporarily abandon some of the fight/training to facillitate faster weight loss.

As always, mahalo in advance for any and all help.

Aloha, Kalani

[humilispuer]

I am currently following NHE. The metabolic shift can be a b!tch - stick it out! Just remember, your fist carb up day comes 10 days into the program. I screwed this one up when I first started. I doubt you will have to worry about calories for a while. Faigin's claims are pretty accurate when he states that with a good exercise regimen most guys find themselves at around 8-10% after being on the program for an extended period of time. If you want to go lower than that, you will have to count calories, Rob talks about this in the book. As far as being in sales and on the road. After the metabolic shift, keep some natural peanut butter and a spoon with you, or some raw nuts. Aim for 3 square meals and 2 snacks. If I can be of any help whatsoever, please don't hesitate to ask.

-Humilis

Poi,

Looks very good. I'll be interested in how you feel on/after the carb days. Hemis been on this so he's a good source. I agree you don't need to really worry about calories yet, how many chickens can you eat anyway?

Be great to have a weekly report. I've heard good things about NHE although I'm not a fan of carb days. We'll see. Hope it gets you all the way there.

Hemi or Poi, can you give me the info for the book/site so i can read it asap.

Bill

[poidog]

Humilis - Thanks for the words of encouragement. I'm going to stop off at the local granola store to pick up some natural PB for next week. I'll be asking questions a lot probably, so thanks for the support. BTW, after the carb days, do you get the same fog again?

Bill - I think the address is www.extique.com. And I'll try to post weekly, and keep you in the loop regarding my carb up days and how they go. I gotta admit, I'm excited to have this resource, but kind of spooked to, because I don't want to blow it with so many witnesses! :D

Mahalo gentlemen.

-Kalani

[humilispuer]

Here's a great resource guys: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalHormonalEnhancement/
It's a yahoo group dedicated solely to the NHE eating plan.
Bill, you should check out the plan, Faigin puts health first and then physique. I know a couple guys who follow the crossfit regimen: www.crossfit.com, and couple it with NHE and are able to maintain at around 5-6% bodyfat. It's a fabulous program.
Poi, at first I felt a little bit odd after the carb meals. For me, the key is using whole foods for the carb ups. No processed crap. I stick to things like whole grains such as: barley, oatmeal, brown rice. I also eat fruits, sweet potatoes, etc. I have been away from sugar for such a long period of time, if I eat sugar, I feel as though I am going to vomit (On Sunday I had some candy - me and the toilet were spooning afterward since the sugar was coming out the same way it went in). I would stick to the most wholesome and least processed foods, you will feel better during and after the carb meals if you follow this advice. Also, don't forget to keep your fat intake under 20 grams for these meals - at least for the first couple of weeks. I felt pretty nervous before my first carb meal(s), after a while though, no biggie. Tonight I had a big bowl of barley and chinese vegetables (I eat barley instead of rice now since it contains 8 grams of fiber per serving in comparison to the 1 gram of fiber in rice), oatmeal with strawberries, and a couple apples. I consumed this food over a 2 hour period. Lastly, keep at least an hour and a half between your carb meal and bed, otherwise the elevated insulin levels will blunt your Growth Hormone output during sleep. Feel free to ask as many questions as you want. I will try to answer them to the best of my ability.

-Humilis

Thanks guys - I ordered it. After I read it I'll have to decide if i want to give it a test ride. I wouldn't need to do the induction, I think, so I'd just be adding the carb aspect -I'll check out that forum too. May decide to take a pass, but always open to refinement.

[humilispuer]

Bill,

Love the attitude! If after reading the book you feel comfortable with the program, why not take it for a test drive :) ? What's the worst that could happen? You would feel bad, you would stop the program. Seriously though, an open mind is an extremely impressive trait in this day and age. After you get done with the book, please write a review and let us know what you think.

-Humilis

[poidog]

Oh man, guys. I blew it beyond BIG TIME today. I blew the diet and am going to have to start the metabolic shift cycle all over. I failed to plan properly to ensure I'd have access to quality protein foods and thus planned to fail. So, I am starting again with tomorrow as the first day of Operation Metaboshift. I believe that puts my first carb up day as Sunday, 11/16. Sorry for the setback gentlemen, I feel like I've failed you as well as myself.

BTW, I agree that an open mind is an extremely rare quality in the vast majority of the world, and that's why I'm especially glad this forum, and the people on it, exists. Mahalo.

Aloha, Kalani

[humilispuer]

Poi,

No big deal! If there were no roadblocks, everyone would reach the destination with ease - then it wouldnt be a fun place to be at anymore! Don't worry about it, I messed up in the beginning too. Hell, I messed up in the middle of the diet and had to re-start; that really sucks! Learn from your mistakes, don't dwell on them. The fact that you came on here, admitted you failed, and informed us you were getting back on the horse, to me, is amazing. You need not feel as though you have failed at anything. Keep us posted and keep your head up!

-Humilis

[aaron]

Hehe, I am not following NHE, but more of an Ellis style approach. This is very difficult while in college, but I manage to stick to vodka when I drink and I limit myself to one beer. It is the eatinf after drinkign that kills me though. Tonight I had a McDonals Crispy Chicken Sandwich, but no bun. I'm at around 1000 calories for the day alreadt and its 2:45amm but I will eat very little tomorrow to keep my calories down and hope for the best.


Tomorrow is BU vs. UNH though and I am very excited. Serious dieting in college is extremely tough, but I'll try to stick to it. It is so tough...sometimes it sucks, but I guess the benefits are worth it.

Haha, I got home tonight after drinking and forced myself to do some light weightlifting, 35 C&J's (SC) with 16 pood kettlebells and some pushups. I needed to burn some excess calories, even if it is only 5-10 it helps.

Poi,

Relax - it's a long journey. Some of us have been eating like this for 10 years. Once you get into it little bump like that won't mean anything. Just bounce back. Don't succomb to the I failed, I'm a failure - the whole thing counts - what hemi said is true, in the immortal words of Cher "If it came in a bottle everyone would have a great body"


For you youngsters Cher did commercials for Bally's in the 80s. She was hot in the leotards and leg warmrers.

[aaron]

That is incorrect...Cher has never been hot.

Oh and pardon my poor spelling in my last post. If you couldn't tell I was a wee bit under the influence. :wink:

[humilispuer]

Aaron,

A question - If you're in college looking to have a good time, and you hate your "eating plan," why not just stop dieting? What are you following a dietary regimen for anyway? I am not asking these questions to be intrusive, rather, if you answer these questions to yourself, you will realize that "dieting doesnt suck". In fact, the first thing you need to do is get rid of "dieting" in your vocabulary. Ellis, NHE, etc, these are not some fad diets written for middle aged women, they are LIFESTYLE plans for individuals to achieve and maintain health and a physique that they are happy with. You have to weigh priorities - if drinking and eating 2 pizzas a night is what you want to do while you're in college, any attempt to move away from that will be futile. I'm not dogging on you, not by any means. It's just, people with a "this diet sucks I hate it, but it's worth it," mindset always tend to fail. I have heard great things about Ellis, maybe right now though you need a program more like The Anabolic Diet. Basically you low carb it for the weekdays and the weekend - you can eat whatever you please - Pasqaule calls this a carb up period. It would give you the freedom to do the things you want on the weekend while still adhering to a plan on the weekdays. I used the program in the past - so long as I did not eat every last thing that moved, on the weekends, it worked out pretty well. Just in case you want to look in to the plan: www.metabolicdiet.com - www.t-mag.com search for "eat like a man," it is a two part series of articles that outline the plan. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Good luck.

-Humilis

[Doug Szolek]

I got home tonight after drinking and forced myself to do some light weightlifting, 35 C&J's (SC) with 16 pood kettlebells and some pushups. I needed to burn some excess calories, even if it is only 5-10 it helps.

What kind of monster are you :shock: :!: :o

How big would a 16 pood KB be? :wink: :)


Kalani, I thinks it's already been said, we've all had set backs. It's admirable that you were able to admit it here in public and that shows a strength of character equivalent to Aaron's feats of strength with the C+J's with 16 pood KB's :wink:

[poidog]

Mahalo for the words of encouragement, gentlemen. I'll keep you posted on the further adventures of "Poidog: Escape from McDonalds". :wink:

[aaron]

Haha coach, a drunk one that didn't realize he wrote 16 pood instead of 16kg.

Humi, first off, the word diet has earned a negative conotation due to many people failures when changing there eating habits. I follow a certain diet that diet is part of a lifestyle. Diet is just a word and calling it a lifestyle change is incorrect because the rest of my lifestyle is remaining the same, just my diet is changing.

The reason I do not enjoy it all that much at times is because of the poor selection in the cafeteria and the inability to cook my own foods in my room. And although I say I do not enjoy it, and at times I do not, there are two things I enjoy that make the tougher times worth it. One being the fact that I am constantly demonstrating self discipline over one of the toughest things to have self discipline over, food. I guess I still miss cutting weight for wrestling in some weird way. Second, I enjoy the results I see and meeting goals that I have set for myself. To accomplish you own set of goals by yourself is a good feeling and I enjoy that. So the diet is worth it, but sometimes I'm a big baby. Sorry for the whining.

I've lost 8 pounds so far...I'm down to 148 at a height of 5'10." Tomorrow I will be testing body fat percentage so I'm excited about that and crossing my fingers for good numbers and even more excited about homecooked meals this weekend! Can't wait for some salmon and some great chicken my mom cooks up. :D

Question about "carbing up" it seems to me that eating whatever I wanted, within reason of course, would take me out of ketosis and cause another "induction" phase. It seems counter intuitive. What are the amounts of carbs able to be eaten during a carb up phase? Thanks.

PS. In the alley right below my window these two guys are about to fight, so I'm going to watch. Later.

Aaron

The idea is you carb out enough to load glycogen and increase anobolic hormones but not enough to switch out of ketosis. Some who know alot ie Ellis say this is crap. I'm holding judgement till I read the book and/or try it.

It may be a matter of the diet still works due to ketosis and calorie restriction. I understand it may be even more strict on non-carb days. Full report to follow.

Bill

[humilispuer]

In a sense, it does kick you out of Ketosis. Pasquale has you carb up over the weekend until you start to feel yourself smoothing out. You really have to know your body for it to work effectively - you will get it after doing it for a couple weeks. Most people can get away with 2 days of all they want anything they want - some people can take 3 days other people only 1. If you work out really F^cking hard the Monday morning after a carb-up, you can be back in ketosis in no time flat. The book Bill ordered, NHE, is a bit more civilized. You end up eating your last two meals of the 3rd and 7th day as carb meals. Unlimited carbs at each meal, however, fat is to be kept below 20 grams and you should keep a starch-sugar ratio of 70/30%. Needless to say, it's not the all you can eat Anabolic Diet - it has worked a lot better for me though. I am very interested to see what Bill thinks about the book. Furthermore, I am extremely interested to see what types of results it delivers for him if he chooses to give it a go. To be quite honest, I have lost more fat and gained more muscle of Cyclic Low Carb plans than I ever have on straight keto plans. Just my 2 cents.

-Humilis

I'm reading it right now - I already rejected Pasquale as reeeking too hard of body building manipulation. I also found out, on the NHE board, your a closet BB Hemi. Just kidding - nothing wrong with wanting to get ripped.

I will post a detailed review of NHE. I already see some things worth discussing.

Bill

[humilispuer]

I will probably get flamed - oh well. Yeah, I actually am a closet BB. I still do a lot of things with my Physique mainly in mind. My views are beginning to change but I am still fairly vain. Hell, I am 19 years old, it comes with the territory :wink:

Looking forward to the review Bill. Thing I did not like about Pasqaule; he didnt seem to give a crap about health and he was promoting his supplements like crazy.

-Humilis

[aaron]

Is it possible to get a detailed synopsis of NHE and its differences in comparison to Anabolic? I think I'll def. follow one of these two because it fits my college lifestyle much better. If someone could give me a detailed description of NHE it would be much appreciated. Thanks, Aaron.

Humi, if possible, could you check how this potential carb load phase sounds....

I'd do two days, either Thursday and Friday or Friday and Saturday, so all portions would cover both days in total. I was led to understand that you cut down on fat in this period so this reflects that.

1-2 bowls of oatmeal, or 1-2 bagels, or 1-2 belgium waffles. (acceptable topping suggestions would be appreciated.)
Egg whites
1-2 hamburgers, mustard, no ketchup. Could be substituted with chicken or whatever is in the cafeteria that day. Maybe tuna, lunch meats, etc.
2-4 slices of pizza.
And finally...beer. I cannot give a specific amount, but more than a few. :wink:

How's that looking? Any commentary would be welcome. Thanks in advance.

[humilispuer]

Aaron, that actually sounds great as far as a carb load on AD goes. My problem was, well, LoL, I would eat everything I possibly could throughout the day then hit a buffet at night. Did not work - your plan sounds solid though. Basically, the main differences between NHE and AD are the carb up days and the carb up stipulations. To be quite honest, I really feel as though AD would work better for your lifestyle in college. That's my opinion though. For AD, basically, what you want to do is: Go 7 days under 20 grams of carbs. The carb limits are different than most plans because Pasquale does not advocate "active carbs" - therefore stick to things like meat and cheese and extremely small amounts of green veggies. If you plan to start the carb-load on friday, obviously, start going under 20 grams of carbs the preceding friday. This will allow your body to effectively switch over to fat metabolism. For the first week, I would not count calories or portions. Just eat as much as you want of meat, eggs, and cheese. The more the better, in this case, as it will facilitate the metabolic switch. Hit you carb ups and eat as you please. Once you get back to the downcycle, start watching calories. Multiply your bodyweight by 18 - then subtract 500-600 from this number - eat this way for a week and if you are not losing 2 pounds cut back a bit more. If, however, you find that you have lost a lot more than 2 pounds, you need to up your caloric level. I know quite a few people who would just eat when they were hungry (meat, eggs, cheese,) on the weekdays and do whatever on the weekends and they ended up getting pretty cut. If you have any other questions - don't hesitate to ask :)

-Humilis

[aaron]

Thanks humi,

What are Faign's thoughts in regard to butter? Is that "kosher" with the eating style? Could I have some butter on my bagel for example?

How long do I want to separate the carb load from the end of the protein/fat part of the diet. For example, can I eat a good amount of fats and protein during the day and then still enjoy the beer and pizza at night for my carb load? and then the next day. assuming I drink two nights in a row, have my morning breakfast and lunch be protein/fats and then carb load at night again?

Thanks.

[Connie Brown]

Hmm, that comment about diets and middle-aged women got me thinking.

First off: how we middle-aged women get there is, in college we start cutting calories to make up for "blowing it." Well that doesn't work, so then we try a new diet. By 40 most women with a problem have tried at least 20, I am not kidding. So if you give a diet 6 months, then quit in disgust, then don't do anything for another 6 months.. times 20 tries, there you have it.

Combine that with abysmal ignorance of exercise and physical culture, and our different muscle and hormone systems, and you see what you get. (sports life for women before Title IX has much to answer for.. I am speaking of an earlier generation mind you)

So what I was thinking is, there is a food parallel to the training sequence I learned here:

form before sophistication
sophistication before volume
volume before intensity
intensity before density (http://www.circularstrengthmag.com/18/sonnon1.html)

(did I get that right? it is so brilliant)

What I think the food parallel is, is this. Doesn't matter what food plan you choose.

Form = put the good stuff in, steady good fuel (no starve/blow-it cycles)
Sophistication = decrease the downer stuff (pizza, alcohol, whites)
Volume = ratchet up the good stuff (go organic super hi quality)
Intensity = bad stuff down to just a whisper if at all
Density = now you have super skills to tweak muscle & fat

(This is just my experience - I do volunteer work helping people recover from binge eating)

A weird side effect is, if people quit the bad stuff before putting in the good, they stay stuck. If they take a leap of faith and eat well while still overdoing it once in a while, (eek yes too many calories), they eventually succeed.

I have seen this over and over and it's how I quit the diet cycle myself. And PS I can lose fat now, no mystery. I was a slow learner but I did "get the feedback" enough times for me to finally "get it."

Ok back to topic - the first challenge for a college kid would be, how to get the good stuff in regularly. That is a big deal ! It takes planning, and acquiring, and social skills to get what you need when everyone else is partying and neglecting feeding schedules... my sympathies.

[humilispuer]

The program I feel would suit you best in The Anabolic Diet by Dr. Pasquale. This is what I have been outlining for you. On The Anabolic Diet you carb up Friday and Saturday all day long. Not just the last two meals. The plan where you only do it for your last two meals is Faigin's NHE. I feel that due to the strigent nature of NHE, The Anabolic Diet would work a lot better for you and your lifestyle. On The Anabolic Diet you can drink all day both days and eat whatever you want both days. Just make sure you ingest a lot of carbs. If you get the chance, please read these two articles. They will tell you all you need to know to get started on the program. The only thing the articles do not outline is the metabolic shift which I went over in an earlier post.
The first article is: http://t-mag.com/html/body_69eat.html
Second Article: http://t-mag.com/html/body_71eat.html
It will not take you long to read both articles and you will understand the program a lot better. If you still have any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

(P.S. Pasquale is cool with butter. Anything goes on your carb up days - so if you choose to make a bagel sandwich with a stick of butter in the middle, it's all good :) )

-Humilis

[Scott Sonnon]

Connie, that was a brilliant post. Please put it into article format for the next CST Magazine issue!

[aaron]

hey humi,

Surprise, surprise, I have another question for you. I've read the T-Mag articles regarding the Metabolic Diet over a few times and since the author of the article, Chris Shugart, was doing low carb for the first time he needed to go through the metabolic shift which can take two weeks. Since I was already on a low carb diet, before breaking it one night, do I need to go through an extended metabolic shift? My guess is no and the reasoning is that me breaking the diet last weekend was just like carbing up on the weekends which is prescriped diet. Am I correct in assuming this and do you think I'll be good to go for a carb up this weekend?

Oh, and I'm def. not going to be doing the 18 times my weight in calories (would be 2700)...That is not for me. When low carbing if I get anywhere around 2,300 I feel way too heavy and slow. I think I'll stick to 2,000 and under, which should give me a little extra breathing room on weekends.

PS. Had a great workout today. I'm getting closer to putting up non 98 pound weakling numbers in my squat. I combined speed pull ups with sets of weighted sit ups. Ending up doing 10x4 of both and that was a lot of fun. Next week I'll go to sets of 5.

Connie,

Great post. I had mentioned in an email to Coach Sonnon an article about sophisticating diet choices. My idea was not nearly as sophisticated as yours -go with it

Bill

[pookaboy]

Connie,
That has got to be the absolutely best little bit of advice I have seen on dieting, PERIOD! I think I am going to start changing my diet to move along that continuum rather than float around from one diet to another like I have been doing without much success. Thanks for the information!
Tom
"DIET?!! I SAY NAY! EATING PLAN!!!"

"Diet is such an ugly word; anything that begins with death in it has got to be bad for the body and harsh on the soul!"

[humilispuer]

Aaron, I would say there is no need for you to go through the process of the metabolic shift. You should be good to go this weekend! Also, as far as calories go, go with whatever level you feel comfortable at. If 2000 works for you, so be it :) Best of luck - keep us posted.

-Humilis

[Connie Brown]

Aww you guys are sweet. Will do and thanks for the reinforcement..

Connie

[poidog]

NHE is going well. I'm down 8 lbs. since diet adoption...minus the temporary setback of Thursday's debacle. :oops: Pants are already fitting better and the energy is still kicking pretty good. The fogginess hasn't been there and the wicked sugar cravings haven't been overwhelming. I know it's mostly water weight, but I'm still jazzed. :D Carb up day is still set for Sunday, I'm planning oatmeal and brown rice with maybe an egg or two thrown in for my meals. What kind of veggies would you recommend...broccoli, peas and corn is what I was looking at. Whole wheat bread...yes or no? Any recommendations would be most welcome. Mahalo in advance.

Aloha

[humilispuer]

First of all - Congratulations! Great to hear that NHE is working out well for you. Just about anything goes as far as veggies. Whole wheat bread is cool so long as you are not allergic to it and it is not filled with crap like; sugar, corn syrup, hydrogenated fat, etc.

For the first couple of weeks, stick to the guidelines of the carb meals, outlined in NHE. Make the meal(s) either the last or the last two meals of the day. Keep the fat under 20 grams. Keep the starch to sugar ratio 70/30%. Wait at least an hour and a half before going to bed after a carb meal.

On a side note, I decided to mess around with NHE, as of late. I have been carbing up every 3rd day instead of the normal cycle (I will be going back to the general 3rd/4th this week). Also, tonight, I kind of went over the edge on a carb meal. A good friend of mine challenged me to an eating contest at a local all you can eat pizza joint. Needless to say, I won :wink: I ended up eating 34 slices of pizza and he had 33 (The pieces are fairly small). Funny thing is, I weigh around 150 (although I am probably 175 after that binge - LOL) and he is about 225. Oh well, I will be back on the NHE bandwagon come tomorrow and my next carb up will be clean and low fat. Have to allow myself some breathing room every once in a while or else I'll suffocate :)

-Humilis

[aaron]

WHOA! 34 slices!!!!!! How many slices per pie and how big are the pizzas!? Damn man. I am extremely impressed and my hat is off to you. My friend at two whole pizzas in an hour once and I thought that was amazing and he is 160lbs. Then another friend ate 2 whole pizzas in 40 minutes, but he's a bigger guy, 190 maybe. 34 slices....I am in complete and utter awe.

[humilispuer]

I would say there are anywhere from 10-11 slices per pie. The pizza are larger the the average medium but smaller than the average large. I figure I must've ate around 2-1/2 large pizzas and it was under an hour :wink: My gastrointestinal tract did not like me after that one. Oh well. Funny thing - we had a group of high school guys and gals next to us. Our friends told us that they were like "Holy shit! Are you watching these guys?" when we went to get more pizza. I think the kitchen staff and the guy bussing our table wanted to kill us. Hehe.

-Humilis

Hemi,

I believe the recommended "carb up" is 29.5 slices. Bad boy. Actually it's good to hear your clinical knowledge of all this minutia doesn't stop you from having fun. CONGRATS ON YOUR VICTORY.

Bill

[poidog]

Yesterday was my first carb up day. I was planning this whole big brown rice and oatmeal blow out but then I went to the beach. The waves were kickin' (rbibbs: 4-6 shorebreak at Sandy's...the bodysurfing was CHOICE :D ) and I spent about 2 hours in the water fighting the rip current and body surfing. By the time I got out of the water, I was starving and was not going to wait to cook. Fortunately, enroute to home, I stopped off at a sushi shop and loaded up. Couple tuna rolls and some unagi (eel) rolls for later. Those were my last 2 meals of the day...ton of carbs, minimal protein and trace amounts of fat. Results = this morning I am down 12 lbs. since diet adoption and no cravings or fog is sight!! :D This morning for breakfast I had a cold chicken thigh and a handful of peanuts. I am definitely digging on NHE and the low carb lifestyle.

I am also exicited because my CBT4CS book and video arrived Saturday. Once I buy some CBs, IT'S ON!!!

[Rufus]

I have found something interesting.

That is that if I break my carb-up rules (low-fat, vegetarian carb sources) with sushi, just about any kind of sushi, I still feel great. When I just pig out on more normal food I can feel absolutely horrible.

Sushi always makes me feel wonderful.

I ate 15 pieces of nigiri Sat night, along with some rolls too. Ah heaven.

Rufus

[humilispuer]

Poi - I'm glad to hear NHE is working out for you. Down 12 lbs - Congrats! Sounds like you are finding your rythm with the program. Keep us posted on the progress.

Rufus - I agree - Sushi makes me feel great too! When I can affor it, I head over to this all you can eat sushi joint on my carb up nights. Stuff myself silly. *Getting Hungry*

-Humilis

I long ago made the decision that sushi contains no carbs so I eat it about once every 2 weeks. Unless your doing NHE, in which case it contains exactly the correct amount of carbs. 8)

Poi -way to go. I bet those Dog Brothers are shaking now :twisted:

[Rufus]

Sushi is proof that goddess loves me and wants me to be happy.

Rufus

[poidog]

Hey all-

Interesting week this in terms of weight loss and NHE progression. I only lost one pound for the week (total since adoption 13 lbs) but when I fought with Dogzilla on Saturday, my cardio and strength endurance were giant improvements over a mere 2 weeks ago. Also, my baggies (surf shorts) fit MUCH better than they have been in the past. So the strict weight quantification doesn't tell the full story. I should've tried to get my BF% tested before I started, but I didn't. That would probably be a better barometer of the success of this diet. Either way, I'm still very pleased with the results. :D Aloha

Kalani

[humilispuer]

Kalani,

Great to hear you are still moving forward with the program!

My strength/endurance shot through the roof after adopting NHE.

Too bad you didnt get that BF% checked. Oh well. I have noticed that despite the fact that I am looking a lot more lean, clothes are a lot more loose, and my waist measurement is going down, my weight is actually going up! Obviously, I am gaining muscle while losing fat. There's a very good possiblity that the same thing is happening to you.

Keep us posted, and once again, congrats on the progress :) !

-Humilis

[Jarlo Ilano]

Very interesting posts, Thanks for your efforts Kalani.

I have never been interested in diet, aside from whatever I could eat to gain weight. I've always been lean (in college i was always between 9 and 11 percent BF without any dieting at all).

But now I am more interested in the health aspects of it all.

Your discussions have piqued my interest alot more to check these eating plans out.

P.S.

Kalani, where are you at. I'm a P.T. here in Honolulu, and I work Kaimuki, Waipahu (soon to work in Wahiawa i hope) and in town. Is your training with Dog Brothers private?

thanks
Jarlo