Introduction to R.O.S.S.

[el chief]

Is this tape still available for purchase?

[NikolayTravkin]

Steve,

No, RMAX.tv Productions doesn't carry ROSS videos anymore.

[Shaolin Bushido]

I just did a search using ROSS as the search terms ... any reason why that was discontinued? Several years ago, that was the "system" I associated with Coach Sonnen.

Is RMAX just a more up-dated or evolved system that supercedes ROSS or is it due to a business parting of ways?

I guess I'm a bit behind on the status of things but ...

[Shaolin Bushido]

Also ... was that bearded guy with the ponytail, Coach Sonnen? I remember him from a magazine article that discussed ROSS. I just recently realized that was probably him.

Still got that mag ... that was a particularly detailed and informative article. Matter of fact, I believe that entire issue was about ROSS.

[JayBell]

Hi Donald,

Read the following post by Scott, it should explain things:

http://www.circularstrengthmag.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3829

And yes...that was him ;)

[Shaolin Bushido]

Yep, that answered that ... now, about this "tribe" everyone keeps speaking of ...

I was directed to the "beginning" once and of course, I wandered off on my own.

Where should I go to get the entire explanation of RMAX from the beginning? I'll check there this time sparing everyone my questions every time I encounter another new piece of terminology or new concepts.

[Scott Sonnon]

Practice deepens. Strength grows. Character develops. Hair thins. :lol:

All things evolve, unless acted upon by the minds of men. If we are doing even 6 months from now what we are doing today, we are failures.

RMAX is not in its final iteration: Since RMAX is a collective of people focusing on personal mastery, what you will be part of in a year, will dramatically different than what you are part of today. Organizations are illusions; only transcendence is real.

Follow the flow. In it you will find your truth. Truth is truth, no matter the source, for we never face anything in life that we first have not manifested in ourselves.

[Coach Billew]

Wow. Yes!

[Coach Billew]

Not to speak for Scott, but I think the point is to not get tied down to a specific structure or organizational approach.

The goal is evolution, and the organization is there to guide at a certain point. The key is to not get tied down to the organization. The organization should never become the focus. It is a tool to get us somewhere else, and it has to constantly adapt and change as we adapt and change.

I am sure you have been part of organizations (corporate america??) where the rules and goals of the structure became more important than the needs and development of the people involved.

What I got from Scott's post was that any organizational structure is ephemeral and only useful as long as it is helping us towards our goals. When the structure stops helping it is time to let it go.

[Scott Sonnon]

Beautifully stated, Slade.

[Arluk]

Ahhh the strange loop of destruction and creation that are with us in every moment.

[KD Jones]

amazing.

miles davis and charlie parker in one post that is NOT ABOUT MUSIC!
"you can't do what you did 6 months ago" - miles davis
"you learn the scales so you can forget them" (aka, only transendence is real) - charlie parker

blessings.

[Shaolin Bushido]

That is a good one. The one about the scales. The rest went by me high and fast as the jet stream.

[KD Jones]

The thing Miles Davis said about '6 months ago' had to do with allowing (making) ideas to evolve or progess.
i think it can be taken to extremes - systematized - then it's just making a cult of originality. but some people have the kinds of minds/hearts/souls that lead them in that direction, and for them it appears to me, to be very true.

but yes, the charlie parker quote is my favorite. i only put them both here because i saw a reference, and it is still very interesting to me how 'musical' Mr. Sonnon's (and others) approach is here - largely in terms of the importance of "interpretation" (as in the need for individually true 'performance)', "phrasing" (as in the seaming/hemming/patching of exercises), and transcendence of technique - in that technique is meaningless unless it serves the music...