The Meatrix

[dave_rusin]

Amusing animation about a very serious topic...

Click here, http://www.themeatrix.com/


:shock:

[humilispuer]

If I had the financial resources, I would never, ever, buy factory farmed meat. Unfortunately though, I do not have the means to get as much free range/grassfed/organic meat as I would like. Whenever I get the chance though, I make sure to purchase the latter.

-Humilis

Dave,

Great post. Nothing Paleolithic or natural about eating meat that's manufactured. I think this kind of thing is equally abhorant to the Ted Nugent's of the world as to the "tree huggers".

I think you can be a meat eater who is against cruelty to animals. Not to spark a debate or even disagree with the true vegans - I know some really big vegans.

Bill

[dave_rusin]

Indeed, Bill! One of the many areas in which people with disparate points of view can find common ground.

Such practices are wrong on so many levels... And all for the profit of the Few...

:cry:

I think the American Indians are an excellent example of what you say. I don't purport to know much about their lifestyle, but it seems clear that they not only honored and respected the animals they killed but used every part of the body that they could.

[Doug Szolek]

Thanks for that Dave,

very timely for me as I'm planning to increase my Meat intake in the comming months.

[aaron]

I'm in the same boat as humi on this one. Due to financial reasons as well as having no where to cook the meat I would potentially buy I can't always go with free range. It's unfortunate how poorly the animals are treated.

[humilispuer]

I actually went Vegan for a while because of how animals are treated. This was pre-anorexic phase. I pretty much just eased in to eating 1000-1200 calories of vegan (Protein free) food for 4-5 months. Ended up at 110 pounds and 5'7. I have a fairly large bone structure so needless to say, I looked like death. Mike Mahler is a good example of a vegan who is pulling it off. For me though, lotsa meat is the way to go. When I grow up and get out of school, I will be buying only organic/grassfed meat. Better for me and the animals. It's a win win :)

-Humilis

Dave,

I fowarded themeatrix to my wife who is doing the lo-carb thing, but is by no means an athlete or diet enthusiast. At 5'9" 130, she's just lucky. She emailed me back 5 minutes later that we are buying only free range etc...with a list of local stores.
8)


Bill

[dave_rusin]

That's awesome, Bill!!

... One person at a time. Positive change starts with us.

:wink:

[Jay76]

I get my meat/dairy/chicken at :

www.grasslandbeef.com

Good stuff..

[Mike Mahler]

The key to being successful on a vegan diet is to get enough protein and fat. That is what I have been doing for years and have the results to back up my claims.

Definitely make the switch to organic free range meat wherever possible. Cut back on junk food, supplements, coffess, whatever you need to do. Your health is on the line and eating well now will save you in bigger medical bills later.

Mike

Ah, we here the very "big vegan" I was referring to above. Can't go wrong with Mike's advice for the non-meat eating strength athlete.

[rawmark]

Hey Folks,

Not trying to fuel a debate but just stating the facts.

First, I'm a twenty year vegan with two years a s a raw vegan to date. I get plenty of calories in my diet and this has never been a problem. The amount of protein a physically active human requires in their diet is nothing more than a cup of cooked rice. Now, every vegetable, fruit, nut, etc. contains protein, vitamins, and living enzymes. Virtually all of these nutrients are received second-hand when eating an ominivore diet and this comes with the complications of health issues, disease and a total imbalance of the whole system.

Also, by continuing to consume other beings you are:

A. Helping to destroy what little natural land is left for animals to graze on

This, in turn, creates abnormal sewage levels that poison our lakes and streams.

B. Consuming other beings destroys rainforests at the rate of 2-3 acres per minute. This is so that McDonald's can have a place to graze their cattle of course.

C. By consuming animals you are depleting our water supply. The last known Aquifir will be completely dried up in the next twenty years because of our disrespect towards mother earth.

D. Contributing to massive hunger worldwide. It takes an acre of land and hundreds of gallons of water to produce one pound of fat on a cow. That same acre of land can grow a crop of soybeans, corn and other vegetables that will feed multiple families for a year.

Peace,

Mark

[Connie Brown]

Mark, this forum is not for debating the sociopolitics and debatable facts of omnivore versus vegan, please oh please. It's for supporting each other in being successful in the choices and directions we're taking.

If you just wanted to make the point that there is a school of thought that says we need less protein, that is cool.

The rest of it is off topic. There are other places on the web to debate such things and I, for one, don't want to wade through it here.

[Coach Flanagan]

Amen

[Scott Sonnon]

Mark, stick to the topic. Nutrition, like strength conditioning, like martial arts, like et cetera ad nauseum, all have their politics. It is possible to have a sensible, productive and mutually supportive discussion without inciting political polemic. Follow Connie's guidance here.

[Jamrock]

That was unpleasant but not that surprising. I read Fast Food Nation which is an extremely good book that goes into more detail of factory farms particularly the beef industry, one of the more unpleasant facts that stuck into my head was that for beef to be exported the disassembly line, I suppose would be a good thing to call it, was slowed down, I beleive, about 20%. They (the man) had to do this because the quality meat they normally slaughter has enough peices of other parts of the animal that European nations will not allow it to be sold on the market. The book itself however mainly deals with the generally unpleasantness of all fast food and the industry's rammifications, nutritionally, economically, and socially.

Sometime after college I have no intention of eating factory farmed meat again, but for now avoiding it whgen possible will have to suffice.

[KD Jones]

There are people who love animals and would NEVER do anything but defend them from cruelty, who not only eat, but raise meat. My uncle was one of them. A rancher... lived to 90 some years of age. Cared for his cattle in the most amazing way, respected them - though it may sound strange. It took me years to come to terms with it, but I'd have to say what he felt for them was very like love. It was truly meditative being out with him, with those creatures.

I couldn't make sense of it for the longest time, when I was most directly confronted with it, I was a vegetarian. I wish I'd talked more with him about reconciling that, directly.

But it really was very much as Dave and Bill mentioned earlier, something like I understand some Native American approaches, though he was a very traditional American. He had a huge heart in every way, and he is one of my personal proofs that the two are not mutually exclusive.

At Mike Mahler's previous suggestion, I'm looking for local small ranches/farms, where the entire process is more "traditional" and humane - the major reason I'm eating meat now is because it's really hard (for me) to do the vegetarian thing with kids. Poses many levels of difficulty (for me, in my family).

There's a link on Mike's site that will help direct anyone interested in finding local resources for humane/healthy meat products (just like him not to plug himself here).

BTW... I'm trying to figure if this one was too off topic, my filter seems to be broken. I will delete this message IMMEDIATELY if someone shoots me an email.