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msparke
11-19-2003, 04:26 PM
I believe that the next step for ROSSers is to absorb concepts and ideas from other systems and styles. Even though this has always been encouraged from the ROSS camp and practice by many students of ROSS, I feel that there should be a more open dialogue on the subject. I have studied many martial arts over the years before coming to ROSS, and since studying in ROSS for four years, I felt that I have been reborn in my study of martial arts. So I will be writing from a point of view of a ROSSer looking at other styles and systems.

First off let me state on how I view the difference between a system and a style, which is the common sense view. A system is setup to give ideas, concepts, and techniques that you take to make up your own fighting style, ROSS being the best example of this. A style is a specific method of fighting that is rooted in ideas and concepts of fighting. So with that out of the way let’s look at how I am combining the two.

ROSS has three main concepts that I believe make it the best choice to train in first. It gives you the sophistication, such as understanding Hyperfunction, which allows you to see why a particular idea or technique works. It also gives you that right training environment, such as soft-work and hard-work, to explore and improvise your skills. Finally, something that is even more brilliant in ROSS then those is its work on performance enhancement, such as in bodyflow and shockabilty.

Since Scott has said that "performance overrides precision", and combine with the reality that you will make mistakes and you will have to fight when you are not at your best, makes ROSS the best fall back when the "you know what hits the fan". So that is why I teach ROSS as the foundation to my students.

But there are many great ideas, concepts, and techniques from other styles and systems that require precision. So that is why I say that "performance can override precision". This is not so much a contradiction to what Scott said, but advancement to it. I am not saying that you will always have precision when you want it, because there will be times when factors, either of you own or outside ones, that will affect you. This is where the performance enhancement will come into play. But there are time when you will be in control, where you can use precision and speed, etc... You just got to known when to go back and forth; I will get into this more with later posts over the years.

I hope with this post that I will encourage others to post their ideas on incorporating other systems and styles with ROSS.

Future posts will include: guidelines for studying other systems and picking instructors, adding trapping to your hard-work, use of the mook jong, ROSS stick fighting, ideas from Dim-Mak and Silat, awareness training, and combat agility drills just to name of few.

Doug Szolek
11-19-2003, 07:03 PM
Interesting point of view on what I agree to be an important matter.

With my study of ROSS I find that it has given me a bodily awarness that can allow me to assimilate other styles into my own at a greatly accelerated learning curve.

ROSS does this for me by teaching me efficient biomechanics of human movement so that once I've come to understand the workings of the human movement I can devote concentrated deliberate effort to learning the techniques of a "new style" and internalize them in a matter of hours or days not by blind repetition (which inevitably takes years to teach you anything and always leaves the movements as second nature at best) but by calling the movements up from Flow during Soft to Hard Work.

I think that is the true brilliance of ROSS and it's enabling you to learn a new style in days or weeks as opossed to years.

You start with a foundation of Biomechanical Efficiency and it's application. Which you learn from Biomechanical Exercise.

Then apply your knowledge of Biomechanical Efficiency to internalizing your own made up techniques or the techniques of other styles in Static and Fluid Drills.

Finally, you get out of the way of you performance of the techniques through Soft to Hard Work. And this last step is really key to increasing the learning curve of a new style. By cultivating Flow in a dynamic environment you short cut your ability to act responsably (in other words, you let yourself do what you've always been able to but had to uncover).

You know it may sound absurd to those who haven't experienced it, but it works, and it works well. All it takes is brief intense practice of letting go of your hollywood induced preconceptions that to be a master takes a lifetime of training. We are all always and already the masters of our movement. Actualization of this takes nothing more than letting go of your attachment to mediocrity.

Doug Szolek
11-19-2003, 07:25 PM
Interestingly enough, it is ROSS that has allowed me to continually refine my ability to fight the biggest opponent of them all, Gravity. By again taking the foundations of Biomechanical Efficiency (Circular Strength Trianing), filtering them through my own personality, likes, dislikes and tendancies; and borrowing from the efforts of like minded individuals from years past; I formulated Anabolic Bruiser Conditioning. (http://www.profcs.com/app/aftrack.asp?afid=102236&u=http://www.circularstrength.com/abc.html)

Everything is tied to the underlying movement. :) Or rather, everything is the underlying movement. :wink: Or maybe, everything is movement. 8) Or perhaps I have way too much time on my hands to ponder such issues. :roll:

dave_rusin
11-20-2003, 06:32 AM
LOL!!!

Doug, you might have too much time on your hands, but I hope it continues, because we are benefitting from your pondering and posting insights...

:wink:

oleg_yakimovich
12-03-2003, 12:04 PM
One of the ultimate tests of your "performance vs. precision" balance
is an obstacle course.

(An interemdiate proof being its wide usage by the military -
these folks know well what can save their live one day.)

Even wide variations in sparring intensity does not approximate
a well thought "torture" of an obstacle course!

If you have to run, jump, fight, balance, crawl, then fight again, etc. you'll see clearly what remains of your technical arsenal when put into some actual context.

What's interesting you don't need that much room or equipment.
With some cones and tape they use to marker roads you can combine biomechanical exercises, rolls, running, throwing punches and kicks, defending against weapons, etc. into 4-5 laps which will warm you up
(or burn you out :-) and really test your "precision under stress".

Keep strong!

dave_rusin
12-03-2003, 12:14 PM
I can attest to what Oleg says, having been the victim of his Merciless Obstacle Course in days of old when he used to live in NJ...

A poignant example indeed!!

Oleg, remember they are not just cones... they are COMBAT cones...

LOL!!

:wink: