MAGIC English Mind FIst

[Coach Tran]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2356052880328387155&q=kung+fu+mind+punch

This is weird. This almost reminds of some kind of mind trick. I wonder if this is what the evil side of softwork I have read about in Coach Sonnon's book? What is your opinion on this? What is the possible answer to this trick?

PS: All who is attending Iota Seminar I shall be mind punching you. HA hahahahhahha cough hahahha ha

[mushtaq]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2356052880328387155&q=kung+fu+mind+punch

This is weird. This almost reminds of some kind of mind trick. I wonder if this is what the evil side of softwork I have read about in Coach Sonnon's book? What is your opinion on this? What is the possible answer to this trick?

PS: All who is attending Iota Seminar I shall be mind punching you. HA hahahahhahha cough hahahha ha

The guy is a stage magican and stage hypnotist, which should tell you what you need to know. At its very best it might be a demonstration of suggestion, but as the guy has a stage act I would look to it being a setup.

[Scott Sonnon]

He chose the perfect 'volunteer' since they were already predisposed to hypersuggestibility.

[Chuck Kechter]

http://www.circularstrengthmag.com/forum/images/smiles/BangHead.gif

I fell for a trick... I fell for a trick... I fell for a trick...

http://www.circularstrengthmag.com/forum/images/smiles/worship1.gif

Now drink the Kool-aid!

[Coach Tran]

Thanks for the input. I thought this was funny and wanted to share this with all.

[Jrichardson]

"I shall now demonstrate the Candace Pert Mind Punch. I will hit you with only the power of my subconscious mind. Ready?"

[ranski]

I saw Derren Brown in Edinburgh a couple of years back. For part of the show he had memorised the entire telephone directory. People in the audience would give hm their name or address and he would tell them their telephone number. He is amazing to watch and basically says it's all in the mind!

Check out his DVD's from his TV series if you get the chance.

R

Derren is very skilled, lol, being a clinical hypnotherapist i have played around in class with suggestibility in a similar manner, and as Ken, David and Paul will testify to, sticking people to the floor isnt that difficult if you prep the session with lots of suggestibility.

Nothing mystical or psychic or spooky, just plain suggestibility.

Andrew.

[Coach Tran]

Imagine what this can mean with the opposite sex, men?

I have some very interesting tales, lol, get me chatting about this at Iota Bao......


A.

[Coach Tran]

Andrew,

We have to talk after training, brother.

[Connie Brown]

Imagine what this can mean with the opposite sex, men?
Bao my sweet and naive bro - the opposite sex has been working this from birth. Since she figured out she could wrap big old Daddy around her little finger with a smile. Ladies have been using mind touch to send you guys to the gym to get buff. Did you think you came up with it on your own????? PS don't tell my sisters I let the cat out of the bag.

[David Nicol]

Andrew's tales are brilliant bao - he shared them with me and paul a few weeks ago - ha legendary! :D

David

[KD Jones]

This sort of thing is part of what makes sad about the abuses of 'chi' concepts - the whole voodoo nonsense that grows around the actual meaningful effect. In his "slicing time" analysis of Coach Sonnon's San Shou fight, Mushtaq Ali makes reference to one problematic area - with relation to poor translations of cultural metaphors.

Then, there's the apparetntly irresistable marketing power of having an asian master make a white guy jump and fall funny with the mysterious power of chi. Or making a yoghurt container explode at 20 feet by tensing an eyelid.

Recently, I saw a site about "Peng Jeng" energy (a concept I do NOT mock in itself) on which the author appears to be directly refuting Coach Sonnon's work, and makes a white guy jump and fall funny (in opposition to any concievable physics, as far as I can see).

The physical poetry around chi concepts has helped me in a number of cases. But I think it becomes a hinderance to what people really DO and CAN accomplishe when impossible and meaningless actions start jamming the circuits. Imagine always comparing your actions to an impossibility. Imagine having goals the pull your efforts into oblivion. Anyway, it doesn't work for me...

It's unfortunate to me that high school eductaion doesn't include some meaningful and mandatory introduction (and direct experience) to the amazing power of susceptibility. Then more of us might understand that some of the partners in some of these deceptions don't necessarily mean to decieve.

(Also... please note that I am not arguing that susceptibility doesn't have its uses. It's a tool over which I'm working to gain greater conscious control... so I can't mock...)

[Coach Tran]

Bao my sweet and naive bro - the opposite sex has been working this from birth. Since she figured out she could wrap big old Daddy around her little finger with a smile. Ladies have been using mind touch to send you guys to the gym to get buff. Did you think you came up with it on your own????? PS don't tell my sisters I let the cat out of the bag.

Sister Connie,

I have studied seduction through reading books by Robert Greene, Neil Strauss, etc. Yes, women are masters in that art without a doubt. Maybe through evolutionary drives women learned how not to rely on physical force to compel a male to do her will which to me is impressive. In general, men have alots to learn about this art, but a few selective men have also master this art as well. What I was refering to was not so much about making women do our will without force, but the humorous possiblity of making a woman "experience" cardinal pleasures without a man's physical touch. A bit sophmoric I know, but I am a young man, Connie. :wink: That would be an impressive trick which a few claim can do. Connie the secret of women's "mind control" have been out of the bag a long time ago and some men are better at it than some women.

Your sweet and naive bro,
Bao :wink:

[Connie Brown]

Fair enough, Bao. :)

[Scott Sonnon]

Wait until you see Brandon Jones upcoming film release: "RMAX Powered Internal Martial Arts." All the power, none of the bullshit. :twisted:

[KD Jones]

OH YEAH.

I thought I saw Morpheus in that last striking clip of his. I haven't seen much (plus I'm still ignorant) but it's like he's already got a PHYSICAL path through space carved out, claimed and calling him in, before he moves. Like you can see a pre-existing echo of the trajectory - because it's pretty clear that he sees the whole thing.

This is going to be really, really good.

I just find it hard to believe that this group of leaders ended up in the same place. One of the reasons I was slow getting here was because I figured that what it LOOKED like RMAX was up to, couldn't be happening - had to be hype.

I'm still eating my words.

[Scott Sonnon]

KD,

Brandon is the goods, which is why I would only trust him as my personal boxing coach.

[Coach Gostnell]

pre-existing echo of the trajectory...

KD,
what a nicely turned phrase. Gets whole trains of thoughts going through my brain. "Pre-determination" has never seemed a valid concept to me, but certainly at times, there seem to be "pre-echoes" of some events. X plus Y happens and you can almost "hear" Z before it arrives.

[Glenn Sunshine]

Wait until you see Brandon Jones upcoming film release: "RMAX Powered Internal Martial Arts." All the power, none of the bullshit. :twisted:

Is this for real, or are you just pulling out collective leg? Because if anyone could pull this off, it's RMAX.

[Scott Sonnon]

Not a joke, at all.

RMAX FlowFighting is a purposefully reinvented internal martial art - for the 'Western mind', it can get you 'there' more expediently and without any superfluous cultural confusion. Flow, chi, prana, yar, et cetera, it's all cultural context which either enable or disable understanding and facilitate or handicap growth.

Because of Brandon's extensive background studying and teaching the internal martial arts, coupled with his background in Western boxing, he has a unique, powerful perspicacity which will stun the martial art world, and in a very sincere and lucid way... unify internal and external.

I cant wait to see this. Having had the pleasure of Brandons ( and all the head coaches) company for a week i was impressed with both his vast knowledge and ability. We had some great martial art conversations, and i for one eagerly await this release and the oppertunity to train with Brandon again.

Andrew Usher

[KD Jones]

Isn't this the grail of western MA?

Wouldn't it be amazing to punch even a small hole in the "must have lineage, must spend 15 years, teacher must be invisible to the outside world, and those who know do not speak" thing?

I mean, without a widely distrubuted trailer of Coach Jones making an assistant jump like a electroshocked, hallucinating flea...

[Glenn Sunshine]

WOOOHOOO! This is exactly what I've been saying about RMAX (and I think it was even in my one CST Mag article). That's the best news I've had in a long time. I'll be waiting to hear about the release date and saving my pennies until then. :twisted: :D

[Coach Billew]

Can't wait for Brandon's release.

And I wanted to give Jon props for the obscure RMAX humor. I laughed for a good 5 minutes.

[Coach Tran]

"I shall now demonstrate the Candace Pert Mind Punch. I will hit you with only the power of my subconscious mind. Ready?"

For those who didn't get it? Candace Pert said, "The body is the subconscious mind." Jon, good obscure RMAX humor. We RMAX geeks are laughing.

[Dan Chomycia]

I can't wait for Brandon's release also.

[Jrichardson]

:lol:

Anyway, there's a bunch of internal MA guys out here who I'm certain will be VERY interested in Brandon's take on it... :shock:

[Coach Jones]

It's coming in 2006....right around the corner :wink:

[Scott Sonnon]

Well, when you see this... you'll discover that it isn't Brandon's take, but more... Brandon's give. I can't begin to describe how important this work is.

[Jarlo Ilano]

I've been waiting for Brandon to release something for a long time!!!!

[TJohn]

Hello

I just caught this thread. It would be REALLY interesting to see how this will look. Someone with good boxing experience and that has looked at internal work and being able to marry the two.

In alot of the post here i do see that study of internal in the sense of joints and structure. As someone has posted here i read so much hoopla over internal and more of so much jargon that the average person is wowed but when he steps back..he doesnt understand at all how to do it itself. In some of the books i have looked at things are described in such a poetic manner one has to translate whatever those things mean first before being able to apply it. I love to look at the internal view point as i started in CMA but at the same time i am kind of repulsed by it cause they way it is described to most people is a headache to understand.

will keep my eyes glued as to when this will be coming out
Tyrrel

[Scott Sonnon]

Tyrrel,

Brandon's demystification of the power of internal martial arts is absolutely mystifying. This new DVD film brings real magic back into the external world, and undeniable power back into the hands of those willing to tune into the internal event of physical conditioning.

Brandon Jones' and Joseph Wilson's RMAX POWERED IMA played a significant part in my preparation for my San Shou fight... so no, it won't require decades of obsequious ascription to legends, but serious, diligent practice of practical, effective methods. Anyone can tap into this, and it is what the martial art world has been craving ever since the early 90s when the Gracies turned the world upside down and called "crap" to all of the oobie-doobie nonsense infesting martial art. Now, RMAX POWERED IMA brings the baby back which had been thrown out with the bath water... in a real, lucid and profound manner which will shock and awe the martial art community.

There will be silk-encrusted flakes with tassles who will run to this resource and try to validate their closet behavior. There will be naysayers who will say that it's not possible to develop such high skill so fast. But you read it here first.

As much as elementary instructional films from RMAX have demonstratively shown the ABSENCE of a distinction between grappling and striking (hopefully people see this in the San Shou fight footage), Brandon and Joe demonstrate the absolute unity of internal and external, their interdependence, their cooperative support and their feedback system.

It is simply the best work in martial art that I have seen to date.

[Marcus Murray]

Very Intrigued in this kind of work .

As primarily a martial artist trying to pursue more internal work , and seeing the internal as primarily a study of structure and alignment as well as energy should be fascinating stuff .

[TJohn]

Tyrrel,

Brandon's demystification of the power of internal martial arts is absolutely mystifying. This new DVD film brings real magic back into the external world, and undeniable power back into the hands of those willing to tune into the internal event of physical conditioning.

Brandon Jones' and Joseph Wilson's RMAX POWERED IMA played a significant part in my preparation for my San Shou fight... so no, it won't require decades of obsequious ascription to legends, but serious, diligent practice of practical, effective methods. Anyone can tap into this, and it is what the martial art world has been craving ever since the early 90s when the Gracies turned the world upside down and called "crap" to all of the oobie-doobie nonsense infesting martial art. Now, RMAX POWERED IMA brings the baby back which had been thrown out with the bath water... in a real, lucid and profound manner which will shock and awe the martial art community.

There will be silk-encrusted flakes with tassles who will run to this resource and try to validate their closet behavior. There will be naysayers who will say that it's not possible to develop such high skill so fast. But you read it here first.

As much as elementary instructional films from RMAX have demonstratively shown the ABSENCE of a distinction between grappling and striking (hopefully people see this in the San Shou fight footage), Brandon and Joe demonstrate the absolute unity of internal and external, their interdependence, their cooperative support and their feedback system.

It is simply the best work in martial art that I have seen to date.

Coach Sonnon

Your reply has said it all. Those of us who are dilligent, practice, take things apart hopefully will find this info helpful when it is released. Things that can TRULLY be explained is what i look for...up to now very few in the internal field havent been really able to explain it without it turning into some poetry contest.

Cant wait to see it!
Tyrrel

[JasonE]

Things that can TRULLY be explained is what i look for...up to now very few in the internal field havent been really able to explain it without it turning into some poetry contest.

Like this?

"Your eyes are black;
Your cheeks are blue.
'Cause I made a fist,
And then I hit you."

:wink:

[Chuck Kechter]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Scott Sonnon]

http://www.circularstrengthmag.com/forum/images/smiles/smiley_036.gif

[KD Jones]

irrelevant post. sorry.

[Coach Tran]

Brandon,

I look foward in seeing your body of work. I have enjoyed reading your Ballistic book for boxing. Hopefully, you will produce a Ballistic DVD along with your new venue of internal MA powered by RMAX.

I second Bao, and would like to see some of Brandons work onto DVD.

A.

[peterng25]

I am certainly waiting with tremendous impatience for coach Jones' IMA work.
But, if I may borrow a turn-of-phrase from coach Sonnon's message, I feel we shouldn't 'throw the baby out with the bath water'.
Certainly, internal arts have been frustratingly hard to understand. Up to very recently, my attitude was (I guess I was far from alone) 'it's a peculiarly chinese thing, I can't grasp it, I will just bow and walk away wrapped my own inadequacy...'. Then I happened to chance upon meditation techniques which did open my eyes, as in 'the proof is in the pudding'.
My dear old mom was suffering from blood pressure in the 150's, and more. She tried out the meditation techniques and in one session of exercises achieved bp of 120/70.
Now she does them everyday, and last I checked her condition was sometimes 130, sometimes 110.
I don't know how it works (just breathing in a particular sequence), but hey, it works. My impression is therefore, there are many aspects to internal arts, some useful for younger people who do a bit of brawling, and some aspects are suited for seniors who appreciate a healthy lifestyle.

[Scott Sonnon]

Peter,

This is precisely what RMAX POWERED IMA will amplify, clarify and unify.

[Connie Brown]

Like this?

"Your eyes are black;
Your cheeks are blue.
'Cause I made a fist,
And then I hit you."

:wink:
:lol: :lol:

Here's an unforgettable Halloween ode to MA written by my friend Rick in 4th grade.

It touches on the internal and external states.

I saw a kid
who thought he was tough
so I hit him in the face
and took all his stuff.

[KD Jones]

this was something that went off in my brain after reading peter's post... i'm not sure i remember what the original topic was now... something about coach brandon "mind fist" jones? not sure...

"Meditation," in traditional terms and for some applications can be "hot rodded" for the cause of healing or suggestability, nearly without poetry (though I love poetry, and realize that some internal processes are very like their own forms of poetry)... even while neither the cause nor the effect stray into the metaphysical. (I'm not saying anything to limit the effects of meditation - I'm NOT making any statement whatsoever about the 'nature' of zazen meditation, or any other remotely related discipline... )

In trying cope with ADD, I'm doing some work with EEG biofeedback - which is quite different from the more common EMG and skin conductance. Simply by hooking up to an instrument that gives feedback on increase and decrease in amplitude of various frequencies, and deciding to arbitrarily find a way to increase or decrease a subset of the precievable frequencies, one can very naturally cause a shift in the brain's activity.

For example, in ADD, it is theorized that an decrease in theta waves, along with an increase in 'SMR' (sensory motor rythym - a 12 - 14 HZ rythym in the sensorimotor cortex) tends to decrease the behavioral patterns associtated with ADD. I hooked myself up, and sure enough, the 'bodymind' (a term with woo-wah connotions which is useful anyway) with a little apparently conscious intent allowed me to change the frequencies. Oddly, right in line with Coach Sonnon's theories, the change in frequencies was caused by the creation of a feeling on my part - any time I imagine my visual perception going 'straight into my brain,' as though my face had opened up allowing images to 'flood' in, the effect began to show itself.

Of course, the feeling would almost certainly be different for each individual.

In a related study, done years ago, a researcher took a group of subjects and hooked all kinds of sensors to them. The room was rigged with a machine that randomly created an irritating noise, and they were told that there was SOMETHING they could do to to make the noise stop. What the researcher didn't tell them was that virtually all of the sensors were useless - not hooked up to anything. Only one, place on the thumb, recorded the impulses cause by movement of the muscle.

Virtually all of the subjects learned quickly how to make the noise stop, and very quickly. All of them had learned 'subconsciously' that twitching their thumbs stopped the irritant. But, when asked what they did to make the noise stop, they either misrepresented what they were doing, or had no idea. Meaning, unknown to them, their thumbs twitched every time the noise started up.

Now, if we can search through all the millions of circuits we have in reponse to a simple task, and find the one that works, what else could go on in there? How much more? Even to the end of effects of suggestibility, or nervous control of health/disease systems, or control of bizarre mental nonsense like ADD?

As Coach Sonnon has said elsewhere (I'll never find it, so I paraphrase) ... isn't what really happens, right here in the real world, amazing and mystrious enough to warrant some attention in its own light?

(I should add to the disclaimer at the top that, though I have profound interest and sympathies for zazen practice, I cannot construe myself as a Buddhist, but rather a regular, garden variety Christian. I mean to put forward nothing here other than these physical and mental effects, inasmuch as they may be useful or interesting.)

Blessings.

[Coach Jones]

I saw a kid
who thought he was tough
so I hit him in the face
and took all his stuff.

Is it wrong that i'd like that tatooed on my back? LOL... :lol:

Thanks for all the kind words and interest.

The upcopming RMAX powered IMA project will clarify a lot of the hard to understand "poetry" that all of you are talking about. That's one of the primary goals. Also, it's not "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" so you don't need to be concerned about that. It's not the destination that we're trying to change, it's the path to get there.

Most go around the mountain and a handful go over...

RMAX goes through. :twisted:

This will also not be a contrived series of technical examples of "how to fight with IMA's" that are completely devoid of anything "internal".

You'll love it...and it's coming soon!!!

[Scott Sonnon]

Most go around the mountain and a handful go over...
RMAX goes through. :twisted:
:twisted:

[HereBeADragon]

I'll be looking forward to this. I've read and reread going ballistic about 10 times and still find new insights this should be even more enlightening. RMAXs goes through the mountain I love it! We need that quote in poster format.

[Coach Jones]

Glad you're enjoying it Bryan. More to come....soon. :wink:

[KD Jones]

Most go around the mountain and a handful go over...
RMAX goes through.
This is really good. It's how it really feels here, to me, perhaps especially to someone new.

Brilliantly concieved, masterfully executed. (Must be something of a burden to have that EXPECTED of you...)

[Barry Crain]

I'm really looking forward to Coach Jones' DVD as well.
As a long-time IMA dilettante, I'm always looking for a fresh perspective on how this material can be dissected, reassembled & conveyed with clarity.
I just got off the phone with my good friend Joe, a longtime Shuai-Chiao & Southern Mantis guy with an open (if dangerous) mind, who, after training with Vince Brown & Brandon Jones, enthusiastically recommended that I pick up Brandon's materials when they become available. Sight unseen, my friend's positive review is all I need...

[Coach Jones]

You'll have to thank Joe for me. I consider his recommendations as high praise. He really knows his stuff and he's a genuine, all around good guy as well. Please tell him I said hello.

[Barry Crain]

Brandon, will do...I talk to Joe nearly daily. He's Godfather to one of my boys, despite of the fact that he repeatedly dumped me on my head throughout the '90s.

[Peter]

Wasn't there some mention of having this ready by the holiday season? I know you won't serve up any product before its time, but I too have reread Going Ballistic many times and am looking forward to something new. As a Xing Yi guy, getting a new take on this stuff is really an exciting prospect. So please Brandon, hurry up and take your time!

[Scott Sonnon]

Peter,

To be very honest, we have found that it is extremely frustrating for some people if RMAX releases multiple products simultaneously. RMAX has been working very seriously to listen carefully to the members and make sure that product timing is as relevant as product content. Eight out of ten product proposals are rejected for this very reason.

[Peter]

Coach,

Seems fair, I'll wait until the time is right. It shows you listen, which is one reason why this is pretty good place to be--I haven't posted in a while, but I've been reading and practicing. Thanks for keeping up the good work and congrats on recent accomplishments.