corde lisse and the six degrees of freedom

**wildman** · 12-07-2007 10:26 AM

i'm currently working on furthering my understanding of cord lisse (the circus art of smooth rope). much like clubbells, rope pulls through the hand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corde_lisse

in the context of the six degrees of freedom. im seeking to develop my own Flow fit esque model of 6 (or so) actions that can be repeated for time to further my understanding the 6 DOF and of the fusion of the strength, mobility, and endurance neccesary for this art.

i have a rough skeleton of a plan worked out, and its working well from an engineering problem solving perspective. it needs work obviously, that's is why i'm asking the community to help me better understand the 6DOF.

so i guess what i'm looking to do is open this up for discussion on the six degrees of freedom. links to other posts that relate to the 6DOF, and the usual sage writing and thoughtful views that are a mainstay of this forum, on the topic of the 6 DOF.

**wildman** · 12-07-2007 02:03 PM

here is a clip of some corde lisse and fabric to give people an idea of what arial is all about.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6hpB6AwppuE

these are two of LA's raddest performers from the Eye of Newt circus group

**Coach Tran** · 12-07-2007 02:36 PM

Mark,

You and I are on the same page. There is a female personal trainer at my gym who is teaching this right now. Best of luck with your research and practice.

**Joseph David** · 12-09-2007 01:09 PM

Mark,
I really enjoyed the rope and fabric work.

I'm working on a project that encorporates the 6DOF also. Most movement have 2 or three degrees of freedom. I think of the primary movement as the degree I assign to that KC. For example, a quad hop is primarily surging, to enter or exit the move might be heaving. I'd be interested in your skeleton of movement you have worked out.

**wildman** · 12-09-2007 06:09 PM

nice to know we are on similar pages coach tran. a pleasure to have you chime in.

instructor joseph. i'll post the skeleton that i have worked out so far. it may not make much sense immediatly because the language of cst movement and cirque movement don't have alot in common. i'll try to figure out how to shoot some video and post it.

• Heaving (moving up and down)
• Swaying (moving left and right)
• Surging (moving forward and backward)
• Pitching (tilting up and down)
• Yawing (turning left and right)
• Rolling (tilting side to side)

question?
do we consider climbing to be heaving.
does surging only take place in regard to ground reaction forces.

why isn't a quad hop heaving, why is it surging?

can someone help me define what category the movements of flow fit are

example: trinity squat = heaving. leg swoop = ??

**wildman** · 12-10-2007 09:43 AM

basic skeleton

Climb – foot lock – (add experimental pose) - side split – vertical slide – rotate out with a foot lock pistol.
climb - box prep - box - box drop
Climb – double foot fall - climb out
Climb – spider invert – hip key – knee drop – side planche – foot lock
Climb – prep diaper roll – back out of it.
climb - prep star drop. back out of it.
Repeat opposite side.

i'm trying to alternate a difficult series, with a less difficult series.

this week i'm running it for 2set of 7 min with a 15 min break between sets. i'm adding one min every week until i get two 20 min. i run this cycle to days a week. on tue and thurs, which is not optimal for recovery, but that is when we have practice.

after i run the series, i work GTG on variations and basic understanding of different tricks.

**Joseph David** · 12-10-2007 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by wildman

• Heaving (moving up and down)
• Swaying (moving left and right)
• Surging (moving forward and backward)
• Pitching (tilting up and down)
• Yawing (turning left and right)
• Rolling (tilting side to side)

question?
do we consider climbing to be heaving.
does surging only take place in regard to ground reaction forces.

why isn't a quad hop heaving, why is it surging?

can someone help me define what category the movements of flow fit are

example: trinity squat = heaving. leg swoop = ??

Great questions, first we must establish a reference to the movement. As movement can and does change in the enviroment in which they evolve, the reference is the body in anatomical position.

Climbing would be primarily heaving with a surging componont. Pull-ups are heaving with the arms.

Surging is the reference to forward pressure, to move forward and backward relitive to anatomical position. Have you ever seen a lizard do "pushups" on a rock wall. That is surging, the reference plane as shifted yet the the reference to anatomical stays constant.

Trinty squat- heaving
quad hop- surging
legswoop- yawing, swaying, surging,rolling
mountain climber- surging, yawing, heaving
springing tripod-yawing, swaying, surging
spinal rock- rolling

Hope this helps

**wildman** · 12-10-2007 01:20 PM