TACFIT Mass Assault vs "Dinosaur" style dumbbell training

[vkelman]

I'm interested in TACFIT Mass Assault dumbbell program. Unfortunately, RMAX / TACFIT pages do not explain in details which exercises, which weights, which sequences are used in Mass Assault. To find out one needs to buy a program without actually understanding it.

I wonder how would TACFIT Mass Assault compare with "Dinosaur" style high weight low reps dumbbell programs.

You're probably familiar with Brooks Kubik and his "Dinosaur" training philosophy. After watching his Dino DVD I: The Lost Art of Dumbbell Training I started "dino" style dumbbell workout, adjusting dumbbell weights down to meet my non-iron abilities:

Two bells Clean & Press, 30+30 lbs, 3 reps, 3 sets
One arm swing (each arm), 50 lbs, 2 reps, 3 sets
One arm Clean & Press (each arm), 40 lbs, 2 reps, 3 sets
Deadlift, 60+60 lbs, 5 reps, 2 sets
On earm dumbbell row (lawnmover) (each arm), 60 lbs, 10 reps

Thanks,

[MemV]

There are similar exercises vs conventional weight training (sorry not familiar with your DVD) at the beginner level but they sophisticate pretty quickly.
Example is instead of a Lying db press you do it in a bridge position on the floor etc...some different movement planes as opposed to linear like movements.

You also have the specific mobility and recovery exercises which are worthwhile. All the CST principles are built in. There are no weight specificied as it asks
you to define it yourself based on technique, effort and discomfort like other CST/Tacfit programmes.

[Coach Clavijo]

Unfortunately, RMAX / TACFIT pages do not explain in details which exercises, which weights, which sequences are used in Mass Assault. To find out one needs to buy a program without actually understanding it.

.....? That's usually how things work. If you were given the exercise, sequence, and weights, you would be able to do the program without buying the program. That's not a great profit strategy. Even in the link you provided, you get a description of what you'll see in Dino Disc 1, but you don't get a program explanation.

I wonder how would TACFIT Mass Assault compare with "Dinosaur" style high weight low reps dumbbell programs.

How would it compare in terms of...what?

Two bells Clean & Press, 30+30 lbs, 3 reps, 3 sets
One arm swing (each arm), 50 lbs, 2 reps, 3 sets
One arm Clean & Press (each arm), 40 lbs, 2 reps, 3 sets
Deadlift, 60+60 lbs, 5 reps, 2 sets
On earm dumbbell row (lawnmover) (each arm), 60 lbs, 10 reps

It would seem to me that if you are able to row 60 for 10, you should probably be able to to swing more than 50 for 2. Is there a reason that you aren't doing so?

[hermanchauw]

http://hermanchauw.blogspot.com/2010...lt-review.html

http://hermanchauw.blogspot.com/2010...mpilation.html

Note that i did not have dumbbells so i used clubbells.

[vkelman]

Guys, thank you for your responses.

Cesar,
I wasn't looking for extreme details, but for an overall picture - what type of exercises, etc.; Herman shown it perfectly in his review and video. Besides, the value of CST / Scott Sonnon's workouts is more in how he organizes things, proper form, flow, so it would be only beneficiary if RMAX provided more concrete information on this and other TACFIT programs, not only common infomercial.
Regarding weight in deadlifts and swings, I'm just getting familiar with old style dumbbell lifting, just did this workout once. I'll adjust it according to my feel. Also... what Brooks calls "a swing" look more like snatch to me: one makes a swinging motion and then fixes an arm with a dumbbell in a top position. Is it a swing or snatch?


Herman, I like your review and what I saw on your YouTube clips.
It looks like that some movements of MA are best suited for clubbells. And some I recognize as classic kettlebell exercises. (I actually have clubbells and train with them regularly (currently - CST Group eXercises DVD) and I have, like, and use regularly kettlebells as well.) Does Scott show variations of his exercises for different tools - dumbbells, kettlebells, clubbells, or were it you who created Clubbell® variations?

You said in your review that you were bored with classical lifting routine (squats, deadlifts, bench presses). Except barbell bench presses, which I did periodically (and do now in a climbing gym), I never did these in the past, so I did not have time to get bored Quite opposite, I'm just getting familiar with them now, all my life I was afraid to lift weights due to scoliosis and lower back problems.
So, I'm full of enthusiasm about Dinosaur weight lifting, but really like everything coming from Scott Sonnon as well. I want to do both types of training, as well as continue with triathlons, ultra-marathons, and mountain climbing.
I wish there were 48 hours in a day, a million in my bank account, and I could restore faster...

[hermanchauw]

Is it a swing or snatch?

If the movement path is vertical, it is a snatch.

If the movement path is circular, it is a swing.

Does Scott shows variations of his exercises for different tools - dumbbells, kettlebells, clubbells, or was it you who created Clubbell® variations?

Nope, only dumbbells.

You can also check out Shane Heins videos on youtube. He used clubbells as well as kettlebells.

[RonP]

Shoot bud! Ultra Marathons is a full time training in itself! Be carefull. Doing too much varied all at once leads to failure.
One thing I have not seen mentioned. Anything you get from Coach Sonnon will have compensatory movements for what you do with strength/weights. That is very important. All the joint mobility, range of motion, Prasara, and compensatory movements are as important as the exercise itself. Perhaps more important.